What is constituted as a check
Final table, 5 handed.
Chip leader UTG raises. UTG+1 calls. Button and blinds fold.
Flop comes whatever….
UTG clearly states “check”
UTG+1 pauses and says “check?” supposedly to UTG.
Then bets.
If I’m the UTG guy I’d be asking to see the turn as both players said the word check the question mark is not heard.
Thoughts?
Chip leader UTG raises. UTG+1 calls. Button and blinds fold.
Flop comes whatever….
UTG clearly states “check”
UTG+1 pauses and says “check?” supposedly to UTG.
Then bets.
If I’m the UTG guy I’d be asking to see the turn as both players said the word check the question mark is not heard.
Thoughts?
Comments
Just my thoughts though.
And +1 on the whole headphones thing.
UTG+1 clearly stated check as a question, as indicated in the original post.
The verbal rules and all that dont always apply in TDA as theres something that trumps all which is "The best and fairest interest of the game".
See this years WSOP main an Koroknai as an example.
I didn't say that he clearly stated as a question. He had glasses on so hard to see facial expression. Utg didn't argue. He checked raised him all in and busted him with a seven outer on the river. +1 should of checked I guess
+1 is an experienced player. So his wording was surprising.
The question mark made me think he'd done so. Not being (or at least not trying) to be a dick, but that's how I read it.
Did you read the rest where I said the question mark is not heard?
I didn't clearly read your clearly poorly written sentence and kind of stopped reading when you said you'd ask to see the turn.
See post #7, and 9 in this thread. Others read it the same way I did.
Dick theme the thread all you want. Poorly written or not all the information is there. I guess I could of said he said "check" and meant it to be a question. How is anyone suppose to know its a question. Fact is he said check.
I also said it was final table.
Meaning it was ITM. They were at the bubble of the better prizes about to be determined. So the timing of the apparent free turn card could of been important for utg chip leader.
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I'm not sure what the difficulty is in reading the OP?
even so, you can get an unintentional tell from the relief or reaction player one feels after hearing the word check behind him
rules could still be in place to prevent unintentional angle shooting
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you're being annoyingly aggressive with your tone and now you're gonna resort to ridicule? It's so easy to not utter the word "check" question mark or no question mark when it's your turn to act in a hand and the tone of your voice should not determine the meaning behind the word. If you like talking during hands you need to at least be held to your verbal announcements, angle shoot or no angle shoot
From the discription this is not a friendly home game, this is not a 2 dollar sit and go in your mom's basement, this is a legit final table for real money and I expect more proffessionalism from the players and dealers. UTG+1 did technically announce "check" verbally and as UTG you can either let it slide or get a ruling on it and I can't imagine a tournament director ruling this is the favour of UTG+1 if he really uttered the word "check" and only "check" in his comment
To me it seems like it would be UTG's prerogative to chose and I would not hold either choice against him after UTG+1 makes such a basic mistake or elaborate angle shoot. If I'm playing for my real money I see no reason why I should not be ethically allowed to enforce proceedures that were put in place to protect me.
Thanks Richard. Your points made are along the lines of what I was thinking. Utg happened to be a friend of mine. And I wouldn't say he is overly experienced in live games. +1 is very experienced. Angle or not he could not argue if ruling had been made that his verbal check stood.
The other point worth noting is utg CLEARLY stated check. So why does +1 need to verify that with a question? He's had no previous problem understanding action.
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Secondly, why ask for "thoughts?" if you don't want them, and only want people to agree with your initial impression of what should have occurred.
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You're wanting to argue with me for some reason, I'm not. Wow. I guess we're gonna need a clear view from at least 10 cameras and perfect audio from several microphones to decipher this and clear things up. This is really getting silly and unnecessary. I'm folding. Sorry, "FOLD!"