my only deep run today

trigs

ended with this. fucking idiot.

PokerStars - $5+$0.50|5000/10000 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker

UTG: 165,564.00
UTG+1: 632,560.00
MP: 252,354.00
Hero (MP+1): 230,982.00
LP: 458,315.00
CO: 282,989.00
BTN: 75,574.00
SB: 171,037.00
BB: 761,399.00

UTG posts ante 1,250.00, UTG+1 posts ante 1,250.00, MP posts ante 1,250.00, Hero posts ante 1,250.00, LP posts ante 1,250.00, CO posts ante 1,250.00, BTN posts ante 1,250.00, SB posts ante 1,250.00, BB posts ante 1,250.00, SB posts SB 5,000.00, BB posts BB 10,000.00

Pre Flop: (26250.00) Hero has Qc Qd

fold, UTG+1 calls 10,000.00, fold, Hero raises to 25,000.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 15,000.00, UTG+1 calls 15,000.00

Flop: (91250.00, 3 players) 6d 9c 8c
BB bets 20,000.00, UTG+1 calls 20,000.00, Hero raises to 204,732.00 and is all-in, fold, UTG+1 calls 184,732.00

Turn: (520714.00, 2 players) 3h

River: (520714.00, 2 players) Th

UTG+1 shows Ks 7s (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 32%, Flop 38%, Turn 25%)
Hero shows Qc Qd (One Pair, Queens) (Pre 68%, Flop 62%, Turn 75%)
UTG+1 wins 520,714.00

Macke

He had the stack to do it but still that sucks.

trigs

Macke wrote: »

He had the stack to do it but still that sucks.

did he really? i know this is BBV but i have to ask this now.

first off, UTG+1 villain limps in EP with K7s. how is this a good play? raise is fine i guess. limp just seems completely stupid.

i raise, BB calls. i guess UTG+1 is priced in to call preflop, but i mean he has to think he's way, way behind both of us atm. so far behind that even with the pot odds it could still be considered a bad call.

on flop BB leads out almost a min bet which could be seen as kind of a scary bet in fact. UTG+1 calls which at this point, as played, is fine i guess. it's probably still pretty weak considering my aggression so far. i push it all. BB insta folds.

now villain has to assume that i have an over pair or maybe even a set. possibly i could have AK with the nut flush draw but i don't think i'm pushing it all in with that hand right then and there. villain has to think that he's chasing 8 outs for the straight. i don't think he can include Ks as outs as i can easily have AA or KK here.

so i ask, does he really have the stack here to be in this hand in this manner and calling this flop push? maybe he does. idk. i sure as hell wouldn't have called if i was him. glad he did. pissed he hit. 520,000 stack probably puts me in top ten with 50 left. would have been nice.

piggypie123

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Richard~

piggypie123 wrote: »

I would of just jammed it in there preflop and took the 60k pot, especially with the chip leader on the BB.

then you would've lost plenty of value, and I'm not sure where you find your 60k

trigs

push pre is arguable but i'd agree with richard that i'm probably losing value here with a push.

EDIT: yeah and not sure about the $60k either. would have been $36k in the pot if i pushed pre.

T8urmoney

Raise more with the limper pre....otherwise happy to get it in here

piggypie123

Richard~ wrote: »

then you would've lost plenty of value, and I'm not sure where you find your 60k

Ya I added it up wrong, I will edit.

asxn557

For me I'm seeing a change in how big stacks are playing. I noticed it this last trip to Vegas and lately playing 1R1A tourneys online where the avg stack is fairly large in the later levels - 30 to 40bb's. Large stacks could easily be over 100 bbs. They're limping or min-raising to play a lot of pots - way over 50%. Do you recall how many pots this guy was in?

Based on the math, after your push there was 335,982 in the pot. He was getting 1.8:1 to call or 68:38 (38 x 1.8 = 68.4). That's better than the post-flop percentage above at 62:38. So his call doesn't seem wrong based on the numbers.

One way to not give him his odds would be to flat the flop bet and jam the turn. In this case, the pot has 151,250 and your bet would be 184,732. He still thinks he has 11 outs or roughly 1 in 4, but he would have to call 184k into 335k, less than 2:1. I think he would have given up here. (also assuming the BB missed and would check the turn). I realize he acts before you, so the math changes if het bets the turn.

As played, most of us doing pretty much the same thing - repping overpairs on a flop like that. What I'm doing now against big stacks in a spot like this is making over-bets preflop (say 55k) with the intention of going all-in if I get re-raised.

trigs

asxn557 wrote: »

For me I'm seeing a change in how big stacks are playing. I noticed it this last trip to Vegas and lately playing 1R1A tourneys online where the avg stack is fairly large in the later levels - 30 to 40bb's. Large stacks could easily be over 100 bbs. They're limping or min-raising to play a lot of pots - way over 50%. Do you recall how many pots this guy was in?

don't remember for sure but iirc he was somewhat laggy.

One way to not give him his odds would be to flat the flop bet and jam the turn. In this case, the pot has 151,250 and your bet would be 184,732. He still thinks he has 11 outs or roughly 1 in 4, but he would have to call 184k into 335k, less than 2:1. I think he would have given up here. (also assuming the BB missed and would check the turn). I realize he acts before you, so the math changes if het bets the turn.

does he think he has 11 outs? i don't think he can include Ks, can he? i don't think i would.

As played, most of us doing pretty much the same thing - repping overpairs on a flop like that. What I'm doing now against big stacks in a spot like this is making over-bets preflop (say 55k) with the intention of going all-in if I get re-raised.

this sounds good to me. i agree that my preflop bet was probably too small. however, bigger preflop bet means he's definitely getting pot odds on the flop to call my push.