Final Table - pocket pair

djgolfcan

PokerStars Hand #88042967608: Tournament #653010191, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XV (1000/2000) - 2012/10/22 8:54:24 ET
Table '653010191 5' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: djgolfcan (109427 in chips)
Seat 3: Ihaz2cardz (43275 in chips)
Seat 4: pokervi4 (163505 in chips)
Seat 5: LiquidSw0rd (64155 in chips)
Seat 6: WarnerBrosss (59038 in chips)
Seat 7: InsertCoims (253600 in chips)
djgolfcan: posts the ante 200
Ihaz2cardz: posts the ante 200
pokervi4: posts the ante 200
LiquidSw0rd: posts the ante 200
WarnerBrosss: posts the ante 200
InsertCoims: posts the ante 200
djgolfcan: posts small blind 1000
Ihaz2cardz: posts big blind 2000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [7h 7d]
pokervi4: folds
LiquidSw0rd: raises 2445 to 4445
WarnerBrosss: folds
InsertCoims: folds
djgolfcan: raises 5555 to 10000
Ihaz2cardz: folds
LiquidSw0rd: raises 53955 to 63955 and is all-in
InsertCoims is sitting out
djgolfcan: ??

Jacen299

I say one third of the time he has pocket 2"s to 6"s. one third 8"s to AA. One third two overs where you would be racing. So considering your stack size I'd let it go. You tried with a re raise and learnt what you need to know. What did you do?

Hobbes

Jacen299 wrote: »

I say one third of the time he has pocket 2"s to 6"s. one third 8"s to AA. One third two overs where you would be racing. So considering your stack size I'd let it go. You tried with a re raise and learnt what you need to know. What did you do?

if that's your range, then it's a pretty light 4bet by the villain comprising 30% of the deck.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.939% 47.55% 00.39% 333026734 2702318.00 { 22+, A8s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A8o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 52.061% 51.68% 00.39% 361900966 2702318.00 { 7d7h


If he's raising that light, get it in.

Realistically, he prob only 4betting a small % of his range here. JJ+, AQ+ (and AQ is still light based on the action)

FOLD

Unknown

why 3b?

just set mine

Hobbes

costanza wrote: »

why 3b?

just set mine

Barely getting odds to set mine.

hiphopopotamus

Without reads, as played, I'd fold.

I'd normally flat here readless. If I were to 3 bet, I'd do it smaller, like 8100-ish.

Do you have any stats/reads on villain?

Jacen299

Hobbes wrote: »

if that's your range, then it's a pretty light 4bet by the villain comprising 30% of the deck.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.939% 47.55% 00.39% 333026734 2702318.00 { 22+, A8s+, K8s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 98s, A8o+, K8o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 1: 52.061% 51.68% 00.39% 361900966 2702318.00 { 7d7h


If he's raising that light, get it in.

Realistically, he prob only 4betting a small % of his range here. JJ+, AQ+ (and AQ is still light based on the action)

FOLD

4 bet all in is light?
most of those over cards you list, I can't see the guy having.
I agree fold

jdAA88

Hobbes wrote: »

Barely getting odds to set mine.

I still like a flat call being 30bb effective...we wouldn't only be setmining w/ 77, there are some good flops that we will continue/make moves on with 77 here. I really don't like 3b in this spot vs a utg+1 (i think) open at a ft.

Wetts1012

I think you 3bet alot but dont really know why you're doing it or what your plan is.

If youre folding to a 4bet here than I would hope you do this with near ATC as you're turning your hand into a bluff always.

Since we dont want to turn a value hand like 77 into a bluff, then we should be flatting here.

actyper

6 handed though, I think I prefer the 3bet. Whether I call or not would be read dep, but most likely fold.

jdAA88

Wetts1012 wrote: »

I think you 3bet alot but dont really know why you're doing it or what your plan is.

If youre folding to a 4bet here than I would hope you do this with near ATC as you're turning your hand into a bluff always.

Since we dont want to turn a value hand like 77 into a bluff, then we should be flatting here.

This is very important and can't be understated...and you see it all the time in the lower buyins, a guy will 3bet and then tank forever when facing a 4bet..

Always know what your plan is before you 3bet ie "Okay i'm 3b/folding here" or "I'm gonna 3b/5b all in here" etc

Wetts1012

Do we all agree though that if we 3b/fold here than our 3b range is not limited to 55+, KQ+ or near that.

jdAA88

certainly

djgolfcan

Jacen299 wrote: »

I say one third of the time he has pocket 2"s to 6"s. one third 8"s to AA. One third two overs where you would be racing. So considering your stack size I'd let it go. You tried with a re raise and learnt what you need to know. What did you do?

I am trying to get away from the results of a particular play and get opinions on what other think is the correct play. This was a tricky spot for me, created by my 3-bet, at a final table and I just want to hear what other players would do in the same spot.

betrthanphil

I like a 3b here as a bluff pre, and obv wetts is right saying we should be doing it pretty close to ATC....so if your 3b bluffing 77 pre here....your 3b% at this FT with your stack better be double digits. Otherwise flat.

There are circumstances where i 3b call here too, just player dependent. I have notes on players I'm 3b calling against of course.

Also jules its always easy to have a plan. But sometimes its ok to step back and call an audible.

compuease

betrthanphil wrote: »

Also jules its always easy to have a plan. But sometimes its ok to step back and call an audible.

I think is a key point here which most of us rarely do... I am going to concentrate on adding this in at notable times... Stop, think it through, and make the play most advantageous with the new info. We do it in real life, why not at the poker table..