Flat for the overcall or shove on the river w nutz
so, we get to the river and I have the nutz w/ two villains.
check, I bet 2/3, call then shove for half my stack. villain behind has about the same as me,
Do I,
1. shove over top to try and get the callers money in. he has something to call the first bet.
2. just flat, hoping for either an over call or shove from V2?
3. should I have bet out differently?
thx
PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker
BTN: $10.11
SB: $6.00
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $17.26
UTG+1: $10.12
MP: $10.37
MP+1: $11.49
LP: $19.72
CO: $18.45
SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 6d 5c
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.60, 3 players) 4s Ah 7d
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.80, 3 players) 8h
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($1.80, 3 players) Qc
SB checks, Hero bets $1.29, CO calls $1.29, SB raises to $5.40 and is all-in, Hero raises to $9.40 and is all-in, fold ********decision point, good shove or no? spoiler in white.
Hero shows 6d 5c (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 15%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
SB shows 7h 7s (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 85%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $13.27
check, I bet 2/3, call then shove for half my stack. villain behind has about the same as me,
Do I,
1. shove over top to try and get the callers money in. he has something to call the first bet.
2. just flat, hoping for either an over call or shove from V2?
3. should I have bet out differently?
thx
PokerStars - $0.10 NL ZOOM - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker
BTN: $10.11
SB: $6.00
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $17.26
UTG+1: $10.12
MP: $10.37
MP+1: $11.49
LP: $19.72
CO: $18.45
SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 6d 5c
fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO raises to $0.20, fold, SB calls $0.15, Hero calls $0.10
Flop: ($0.60, 3 players) 4s Ah 7d
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.40, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40
Turn: ($1.80, 3 players) 8h
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks
River: ($1.80, 3 players) Qc
SB checks, Hero bets $1.29, CO calls $1.29, SB raises to $5.40 and is all-in, Hero raises to $9.40 and is all-in, fold ********decision point, good shove or no? spoiler in white.
Hero shows 6d 5c (Straight, Eight High) (Pre 15%, Flop 26%, Turn 77%)
SB shows 7h 7s (Three of a Kind, Sevens) (Pre 85%, Flop 74%, Turn 23%)
Hero wins $13.27
Comments
why ?
sweet. fuckin awesome even.
have any insight on the question?
bet turn and call shove ez game
as played shove river a call looks just as strong so you may as well try and get as many chips as possible
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i didn't solve the break even not playing yet...u skooled me
Think of how many times you have to check fold the flop. You can't feel too good on boards like A63, AK5, 2KT, A24, etc.
You are really looking for flops like X47, X78, 55x etc. but with two low cards you just won't hit that often.
More importantly when the flop comes A56, A89, K67 and so on. You stand to lose a lot of money in the long run from reverse implied odds vs sets, bigger two pairs, and bigger straight draws. And from chasing draws.
Not saying you can't call pre, but you have to put it in the proper perspective because the .10 it costs to call might be costing you more in the long run.
I may occasionally lead out on this flop as its a hard board for anyone without an ace to hit. If our opponents have 2 face cards or even just a pair they are likely to insta muck. The trick is to make the bet big enough its believable, but small enough that it doesn't have to work every time (thats key). Now, the 'bonus' is if you get called then you are still semi bluffing to a draw. Check calling with two players might be okay, but if they are betting any turn which they often do, then your not getting the best price to see 1 card.
On the turn we have use the 'how do we make money in poker' mantra and we can see we need to bet vs loose passive players (which most random micro players are). Whenever action is on you ask yourself if you can bet for value. To answer that run all the worse hands through your head villains can call with. On "4s Ah 7d 8h" worse hands villains can call with include: two pair, flush draws, pairs, over pairs, open ended straight draws, gutshots, even broadway . If you don't bet for value here then you're not really ever getting value from any hands you get in this spot, which we need to offset our coolers etc.
On the river I think you can prob shove because co is not likely to call half his remain effective stack but not the other half. Just tank and shove.
plus i run so bad that i hate giving free cards and then getting beat. tilts the shit out of me.
Back to the drawing board. have to figure it all out from the beginning.
It's not just this hand, everything about my game points to this. In 18 mans I've been winning lately but in cash my graph looks like a shear drop off of K2.
Thanks all who responded. and good luck.