So Far, My Weirdest Session Of Hold'Em...

P-HoundP-Hound
in General Poker Chat
I'm playing $.50/$1 at PokerStars and up around 2.5bb's after about an hour. I get KK in middle position (so far all folds to me), the rest of the middles fold same with late and the little blind calls and the big blind rasies. I re-raise and little blind calls and big blind folds.

Flop comes...
Jh2s7d,
Little Blind bets, I call
Turn
9d
Little blind checks,
I raise
Little blind calls
River
8h
Little blind rasies
I call,
little blind turns over J8o, I muck my kings, ouch! that burned me
the guy calls three bets with j8o? wowsers, but hey thats poker.

I loose a few more hands, nothing serious just raising with 10s and seeing too many over cards and bets, so i'am down to $2.75 (I always start $10.75), when I get kjo (middle), i decided to make a bet and see if I can get any callers,(no callers/bets yet) and get a couple. Anyway,

the flop comes
Kh,2d,Jd
I bet, everyone else starts betting and going crazy, I call till i get all-ins
turn is
2c
more betting and calling
river is
3h
more betting

guy turns over K3, I turn over KJ and get my money back to $10.50, I quit after about an hour an half rollar coaster ride.... total loss was .25 for the session (considering I was all the way to $2.75 i'll take it after my bad beat against j8o where i dumped a lot of bets

Just needed to vent this very crazy session. I didn't find myself going to far with hands which is what had been a problem earlier in last week so I was excited, anyway, phewww long day at work and long day in the card room...

hope you guys have less stressful sessions tonight,


P.

Comments

  • PiggaPigga
    I find that not trying to be tricky helps me get a lot of bets sometimes.....

    For instance, on the KK hand
    w/ the SB betting on the flop, i'd be raising and getting as many in as i can, until the river where i check-make a crying call expection of all things to see JT or some random T and not J8o

    I just dont try to be tricky whatsoever a lot of the time when i am playing, for instance once on a party table last month ($1-$2) I came to a new table, posted the bb (in the actual bb) and was dealt a pathetic 73o....bout 6-7 people to the flop, no one raised.... flop comes 7-7-K rainbow , but i didnt try to be tricky, because if people at low limits are going to chase, they will chase, so I bet out after the sb checked to me, every one called......turn was a 6 (completing rainbow) so i bet again, 2 folds and about 5 calls, river was a 6, i bet again and about 3 or 4 callers on the river....i won the entire pot w/ 7's full of 6's......i wasnt trying to be tricky whatsoever, and i also didnt lose any bets (unless i tried to get a chk-raise on turn/river) but i was ensuring action and i thought for sure i was going to chop w/ the other 7 but i took a nice pot down with garbage turned gold......

    I find the KISS method works best (Keep It Simple Stupid) and people will call down anyways!

    The other hand was a very nice flop for you, and im suprised out of how many players were in the hand (sounds like 4 or 5 or so) that not one of them had a 2......i'd be expecting someone to chase even with bottom pair there lol... anyways keep grinding and best of luck @ the tables

    Pigga
  • Anton81Anton81
    Im finding the same thing pigga..if you have it bet it, today i was playing 3/6 and even when you have the nuts and bet you sometimes you'll even get rerasied!!! unbelievable..but ya the moral of the story bet if you have it go for it...and if you dont then fold it..
  • sweetjimmisweetjimmi
    CanadaKev made some good refrences to this in a post a little while ago. Slow playing is a thing of the past...especially at the lower limits. You need to be aggressive at all times!

    One note to P-Hound, I noticed that you said you always start with 10.75. You should always have enough money on the table to call and raise to your hands full potential. At .50/1 you should always keep at least $12 on the table (in case of capping all the way). Your KJ hand is a perfect example of not keeping enough bets on the table to win a much larger pot.
  • ScottyZScottyZ
    That's an excellent point from sweetjimmi about your initial table stake. A buy-in of ~$10 (= 10 big bets) is far too low to start a session with, let alone start any particular hand with.

    I'd be looking to start a $0.50-$1.00 session with a minimum of $30, and would add more chips if my stack dropped to around $10. (And the game still seemed profitable, and I wasn't tired, etc, etc)

    There is rarely a good reason to be all-in in a limit cash game.

    ScottyZ
  • ChugsChugs
    ScottyZ wrote:
    There is rarely a good reason to be all-in in a limit cash game.
    ScottyZ
    I can give you one situation where if i'm short stacked on the table i stay that way. If i've just lost a big pot, and i'm essentially UTG, and i'll need to be posting the blinds. I'll wait till after the blinds have gone through to re-buy. The reason is that on average more so than other positions where you put money voluntarily in the pot, you'll likely be in more hands that have drawing potential (rather than being made hands), be it two low pair draw, straight draw, flush draw etc... So in that situation i don't mind ending up all-in with a draw that has a good percentage, to come through. I also do it because i don't want to get overinvovled after a bad beat with a weak starting hand in the blinds. Essentially it's like a stop loss manouver, to wait till after the blinds and add money for when you're on the button, and have position again.
  • sweetjimmisweetjimmi
    I can give you one situation where if i'm short stacked on the table i stay that way. If i've just lost a big pot, and i'm essentially UTG, and i'll need to be posting the blinds. I'll wait till after the blinds have gone through to re-buy. The reason is that on average more so than other positions where you put money voluntarily in the pot, you'll likely be in more hands that have drawing potential (rather than being made hands), be it two low pair draw, straight draw, flush draw etc... So in that situation i don't mind ending up all-in with a draw that has a good percentage, to come through. I also do it because i don't want to get overinvovled after a bad beat with a weak starting hand in the blinds. Essentially it's like a stop loss manouver, to wait till after the blinds and add money for when you're on the button, and have position again.

    I honestly couldn't disagree more. You never want to be all-in in limit online poker. Only in live poker where the capped is removed when action gets heads up is when I would want to be all-in.

    I see this very often in limit and no-limit ring play. In poker you need to maximize your wins and if you're getting all-in before every street is capped then you're making impossible to win the maximum amount. In No-Limit I always keep the maximum buy-in on the table for the same reason...you need to maximize your wins. Yes this strategy can cost you more but that is just part of variance. I think that keeping anything less then 6BB (which I like to have 50-100BB for comfort) in limit and the max buy-in (or at the very least enough to cover every other player at the table) in No-Limit is definitely negative EV and will only add to your variance since you're potentially not fully capitalizing on all your wins.
  • BBC ZBBC Z
    Just needed to vent this very crazy session.

    You didn't experience a crazy session, you experienced a normal low limit one. Get used to it.
  • sweetjimmisweetjimmi
    Quote:
    Just needed to vent this very crazy session.



    You didn't experience a crazy session, you experienced a normal low limit one. Get used to it.

    Ah, yes another very good point. This session was far from the unordinary in low-limit hold'em where suckouts and beats are the norm.
  • ScoobyDScoobyD
    A buy-in of ~$10 (= 10 big bets) is far too low to start a session with, let alone start any particular hand with.

    And yet I see it all the time. I can't understand why these people even sit at the table. I usually assume if their buy-in is that low, they're simply tourists killing time and have no intention of actually playing. I generally buyin for 50BB, any less and I feel short stacked. There's no harm in having extra chips in front of you unless you're especially prone to tilt or have had a few too many cocktails for breakfast...
  • the_mainthe_main
    This stuff happens all the time, my friend - my advice is get used to it and get over it fast
  • PiggaPigga
    it might jsut be me but when im playing on AP, i look for the tables with 4 people on then, no1 higher than $60 in front (2-4 limit) and ill go sit with 100, and just be uber agressive when i've got it.. a lot of these times peopl have 5-10 BB infront of them and if they lose one hand against me, they lose half their stack and then try to bluff or be agressive with the rest of their small stack and lose it to the rest of the table.....and they keep reloading the small amount....i dont mind at all :)
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