Why do I bother ?

djgolfcandjgolfcan
in Brags, Beats & Variance
PokerStars Hand #83892272437: Tournament #591010674, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2012/07/26 18:15:57 ET
Table '591010674 113' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: payupnowx (11280 in chips)
Seat 2: WhatAMonster (8676 in chips)
Seat 3: djgolfcan (7360 in chips)
Seat 4: Lauz86 (2816 in chips)
Seat 5: gulioasa (5240 in chips)
Seat 6: rocky65 (14345 in chips)
Seat 7: chefchew (4944 in chips)
Seat 8: NELU STOGU (23934 in chips)
Seat 9: helmutj6666 (6276 in chips)
payupnowx: posts the ante 15
WhatAMonster: posts the ante 15
djgolfcan: posts the ante 15
Lauz86: posts the ante 15
gulioasa: posts the ante 15
rocky65: posts the ante 15
chefchew: posts the ante 15
NELU STOGU: posts the ante 15
helmutj6666: posts the ante 15
payupnowx: posts small blind 60
WhatAMonster: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Kd Kc]
djgolfcan: raises 120 to 240
Lauz86: folds
gulioasa: raises 360 to 600
rocky65: folds
chefchew: folds
NELU STOGU: calls 600
helmutj6666: calls 600
payupnowx: folds
WhatAMonster: folds
djgolfcan: raises 1800 to 2400
gulioasa: raises 2825 to 5225 and is all-in
NELU STOGU: folds
helmutj6666: folds
djgolfcan: calls 2825
*** FLOP *** [5s Tc 7h]
*** TURN *** [5s Tc 7h] [2h]
*** RIVER *** [5s Tc 7h 2h] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [Kd Kc] (a pair of Kings)
gulioasa: shows [9h 9c] (three of a kind, Nines)
gulioasa collected 11965 from pot
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Comments

  • HobbesHobbes
    cause they make you money


    Also, it's fucken awesome when you find a huge hand that looks like a squeeze. :)
  • MiloMilo
    Why do I bother ?

    Hobbes has University to pay for?
  • UnknownUnknown
    why do you bother making these threads day after day is the real question imo
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    costanza wrote: »
    why do you bother making these threads day after day is the real question imo

    Because, I want documented proof that I am the unluckiest poker player alive.
  • UnknownUnknown
    I know its poking my nose where it doesn't belong, but if you keep posting in the BVB thread you will get coolered more and more, if you post in the strat section you will start to cooler other players.
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    I know its poking my nose where it doesn't belong, but if you keep posting in the BVB thread you will get coolered more and more, if you post in the strat section you will start to cooler other players.

    Are you trying to tell me that I played this one wrong ?
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Are you trying to tell me that I played this one wrong ?
    no im suggesting its a cooler so its not where your are losing your games.

    actually i take that back, im simply saying what i said in my first post.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Because, I want documented proof that I am the unluckiest poker player alive.

    JRB tho lol
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    Really ?

    PokerStars Hand #83901660343: Tournament #591011164, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/07/26 23:31:03 ET
    Table '591011164 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Sky11X (3000 in chips)
    Seat 2: gremistaAK (3086 in chips)
    Seat 3: shakentoucan (8605 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bagofdonut24 (3110 in chips)
    Seat 5: djgolfcan (4725 in chips)
    Seat 6: cowboymego (2715 in chips)
    Seat 7: lyrrad cm (2880 in chips)
    Seat 9: eze88888 (3360 in chips)
    lyrrad cm: posts small blind 25
    eze88888: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to djgolfcan [As Ac]
    Sky11X: folds
    gremistaAK: folds
    shakentoucan: folds
    Bagofdonut24: folds
    djgolfcan: raises 100 to 150
    cowboymego: raises 300 to 450
    lyrrad cm: folds
    eze88888: folds
    djgolfcan: raises 450 to 900
    cowboymego: calls 450
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Ad 3h]
    djgolfcan: checks
    cowboymego: bets 1815 and is all-in
    djgolfcan: calls 1815
    *** TURN *** [Qc Ad 3h] [5d]
    *** RIVER *** [Qc Ad 3h 5d] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    djgolfcan: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
    cowboymego: shows [Kh Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    cowboymego collected 5505 from pot
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Really ?

    PokerStars Hand #83901660343: Tournament #591011164, $30+$3 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2012/07/26 23:31:03 ET
    Table '591011164 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: Sky11X (3000 in chips)
    Seat 2: gremistaAK (3086 in chips)
    Seat 3: shakentoucan (8605 in chips)
    Seat 4: Bagofdonut24 (3110 in chips)
    Seat 5: djgolfcan (4725 in chips)
    Seat 6: cowboymego (2715 in chips)
    Seat 7: lyrrad cm (2880 in chips)
    Seat 9: eze88888 (3360 in chips)
    lyrrad cm: posts small blind 25
    eze88888: posts big blind 50
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to djgolfcan [As Ac]
    Sky11X: folds
    gremistaAK: folds
    shakentoucan: folds
    Bagofdonut24: folds
    djgolfcan: raises 100 to 150
    cowboymego: raises 300 to 450
    lyrrad cm: folds
    eze88888: folds
    djgolfcan: raises 450 to 900
    cowboymego: calls 450
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Ad 3h]
    djgolfcan: checks
    cowboymego: bets 1815 and is all-in
    djgolfcan: calls 1815
    *** TURN *** [Qc Ad 3h] [5d]
    *** RIVER *** [Qc Ad 3h 5d] [Tc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    djgolfcan: shows [As Ac] (three of a kind, Aces)
    cowboymego: shows [Kh Jh] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
    cowboymego collected 5505 from pot
    coolered!!!
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    coolered!!!

    This is not a cooler. He was never ahead, didnt need to commit his chips, he had 4 outs. A cooler is AA vs KK, two pair vs a OESFD.

    Flopping trips against 4 outs, is a bad beat.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    This is not a cooler. He was never ahead, didnt need to commit his chips, he had 4 outs. A cooler is AA vs KK, two pair vs a OESFD.

    Flopping trips against 4 outs, is a bad beat.
    Are you suggesting there was a better way to play this hand?
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    Are you suggesting there was a better way to play this hand?

    No, I feel I played it perfectly to get this guy to commit all his chips, way behind. He did. And out drew me. That is a bad beat.
  • UnknownUnknown
    no, its a cooler lol

    hahahahaha
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    Have you guys been taking lessons from Hobbes ?
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    No, I feel I played it perfectly to get this guy to commit all his chips, way behind. He did. And out drew me. That is a bad beat.
    Think in metagame for a moment,

    You are trying to be better than your villains, but they don't make money (thats clear). To be successful you have to beat the profitable players. Which means this is a cooler because a profitable player will get dealt this spot too, and play it the same way.

    You have to play other spots better than profitable players would in your shoes.

    So imo its a cooler.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Have you guys been taking lessons from Hobbes ?
    Don't worry about smoke I noticed he enjoys typing internet lingo like:

    jajajajajajaja
    wat
    lulz
    snap 3bet shove pre
    check shove ainec
    jajajajaja
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    Think in metagame for a moment,

    You are trying to be better than your villains, but they don't make money (thats clear). To be successful you have to beat the profitable players. Which means this is a cooler because a profitable player will get dealt this spot too, and play it the same way.

    You have to play other spots better than profitable players would in your shoes.

    So imo its a cooler.

    What profitable player is flatting a 4-bet with KJs ? Then, on the flop, what hands am I checking, that I would 4-bet with pre-flop ? Only one comes to mind (JJ, for those playing at home) and a good player should be putting me on a range, not a specific hand.

    So, I do not agree with your assessment that a profitable player makes this play.
  • UnknownUnknown
    who really cares if its a bad beat or a cooler

    it happens to literally everyone on a daily basis, so idk why you seek sympathy

    just suck it up and move on imo
  • MackeMacke
    When we have 15+ outs or so with the Turn and River to go how many times can it be expected to hit?

    Past two weeks or so I've gotten myself in these situations and just keep bricking so hard *la sigh*,

    Last night was the worst when I started the hand having the guy completely crushed with AT vs KT.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »

    So, I do not agree with your assessment that a profitable player makes this play.
    your misunderstand me....what i said is a profitable player will do the same thing YOU did in YOUR spot....so why should you make more than a profitable player?

    Everyone gets it in good vs fish, that won't win you poker money, it'll just break you even.
  • UnknownUnknown
    costanza wrote: »
    who really cares if its a bad beat or a cooler

    it happens to literally everyone on a daily basis, so idk why you seek sympathy

    just suck it up and move on imo
    jajajajaja

    not sure if serious.jpg!
  • UnknownUnknown
    darbday wrote: »
    jajajajaja

    not sure if serious.jpg!

    jaja_regulus.gif
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    AA vs KJs hand is definitely a bad beat DJ
  • UnknownUnknown
    jdAA88 wrote: »
    AA vs KJs hand is definitely a bad beat DJ

    cooler tho
  • UnknownUnknown
    jdAA88 wrote: »
    AA vs KJs hand is definitely a bad beat DJ
    If he takes the view that this is a cooler, his roi% will go up...if he takes the view its a BB, his roi% will slide as the game naturally gets harder.

    Also TV will agree this is a cooler but TV's view on poker is wrong.Any multi tabling reg with 20k+games will agree this is a cooler in the sense that it should not steal more than a 1 second of our thoughts.
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    darbday wrote: »
    If he takes the view that this is a cooler, his roi% will go up...if he takes the view its a BB, his roi% will slide as the game naturally gets harder.

    Also TV will agree this is a cooler but TV's view on poker is wrong.Any multi tabling reg with 20k+games will agree this is a cooler in the sense that it should not steal more than a 1 second of our thoughts.

    Think I get what you're saying, but not sure: basically his ROI % would go up if he sees this as a cooler because he won't tilt and therefore will play better after this and in the long run?

    Idk, I personally could play this hand, view it as a bad beat but immediately be like "im oi, standard, let's move on".
  • UnknownUnknown
    jdAA88 wrote: »
    Think I get what you're saying, but not sure: basically his ROI % would go up if he sees this as a cooler because he won't tilt and therefore will play better after this and in the long run?

    Idk, I personally could play this hand, view it as a bad beat but immediately be like "im oi, standard, let's move on".
    No I'm not saying that and this has always been strange to me that others don't immediately see this, but I teach it through Jiu Jitsu.

    He is concentrating on the parts of this game he cannot change, im not worried about tilt, I'm worried about non growth.

    These hands he posts happen to me and you in the exact same way the exact same number of times. People don't realize that but if you'ved played 10k number of games you go through it constantly.

    The interrelated opposite would be thinking you should make money in poker because you 5bet jammed pocket Aces and won a giant pot vs. KK. You didn't win anything in this hand, its just auto.

    We only win money by playing hands better than break even and profitable players if they are in our shoes in the same spots. We don't win money by getting it in vs fish, everyone does that there is no edge thus profit in it.

    You don't want to think about you vs villain in a certain hand....its you vs. the poker field...and you have to make better decisions than the field.

    Edit: and yes the not tilting thing is a bonus to understanding how this game works.

    Edit2: hence why tony guerrara can claim he is untiltable.
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    Well said, I get it!
  • UnknownUnknown
    next time i get coolered, im making a thread, and I want EVERYONE TO CONSOLE ME!!!
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