No idea why I have no idea....

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theres one or 2 winning players at the table but no one thats really any good. prob about 55 players left. Min raise, shove, fold? I know its plus ev and a shove in smaller turbo but I don't know if I should play it differently in an mtt....

Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 800/1,600 Blinds, 150 Ante, 8 Players

SB: 52,180
BB: 8,677
UTG: 37,704
UTG+1: 7,461
JodaB. (MP1): 23,432
MP2: 30,484
CO: 22,297
BTN: 28,702

Pre-Flop: (3,600) Q T dealt to JodaB. (MP1)
2 folds, JodaB.

Richard~

I jam, and I'm never minraise folding

betrthanphil

I jam as well. Prob fold with around 27k+. also depends on when blinds are going up

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betrthanphil wrote: »

I jam as well. Prob fold with around 27k+. also depends on when blinds are going up

ok. 27k i think id min/call the bb?

Now if we are going to shove....would it be better to min/call 1 shove but min/fold to a shove and an overcall?

Richard~

no, you're just gonna end up encouraging action from hands that might shove vs a raise and fold vs a shove that have you beat

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Richard~ wrote: »

no, you're just gonna end up encouraging action from hands that might shove vs a raise and fold vs a shove that have you beat

can we ever have enough reads on the table to do it though? for example sometimes vs really good regs I know i have to min call qts because they will reshove hands like 55.

But sometimes there is also a nitty player at the table that I can comfortably raise fold QTs because his reshove range is so tight.

there are many breakeven and slightly winning regs I know that can't and don't adjust or will only adjust very slightly

Also some people will think I'm nutted sometimes.

vs bad players they will mostly wait for a hand and won't reshove anywhere near wide enough and vs the good players im balanced anyways ??


So here for example, and this might not be the most realistic example but say the sb is a really nitty player and the bb is a very good reg..... standard shove for most but is raise/fold to the nit and raise/call the bb better?



Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 300/600 Blinds, 50 Ante, 7 Players


SB: 6,090
BB: 6,908
UTG: 15,380
UTG+1: 4,881
MP: 7,570
CO: 6,772
JodaB. (BTN): 11,881

Pre-Flop: (1,250) 9 Q dealt to JodaB. (BTN)
4 folds, JodaB. raises to 1,200

Richard~

I think you're looking at it wrong. Saying regs will reshove hands like 55 doesn't really matter since you're flipping vs that. if the reg shoves only any pair and exactly K10+ QJ+ and A10+ you're still crushed. either way, if you can make him fold his 55 you're way happier than if he puts you in and you have to call off for almost your tournament life

Also, once you realise randoms perk up and reshove A8o at times (a hand that may even have folded to a shove), you can't raisefold Q10 comfortably ever again

Raisefolding anything under 20 BB's requires a really strong read at all the players at the table to be good

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Richard~ wrote: »

Saying regs will reshove hands like 55 doesn't really matter since you're flipping vs that. if the reg shoves only any pair and exactly K10+ QJ+ and A10+ you're still crushed.

yes but vs a decent reg I would have to call....

Richard~ wrote: »

Also, once you realise randoms perk up and reshove A8o at times (a hand that may even have folded to a shove), you can't raisefold Q10 comfortably ever again

I think I could still raise it....but nonetheless if someone shows up light I just note it and adjust

Richard~ wrote: »

Raisefolding anything under 20 BB's requires a really strong read at all the players at the table to be good

Well thats what I'm asking...


I have some more examples, don' know if if these are correct but they don't really need strong reads:

Poker Stars, $2.28 + $0.22 NL Hold'em Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds, 100 Ante, 9 Players

MP1: 12,174
JodaB. (MP2): 15,744
CO: 8,061
BTN: 5,372
SB: 12,790
BB: 7,378
UTG: 8,356
UTG+1: 21,910
UTG+2: 2,928

Pre-Flop: (2,400) A 9 dealt to JodaB. (MP2)
4 folds, JodaB. raises to 2,000, 2 folds, SB raises to 4,000, BB raises to 7,278 and is All-In, JodaB. folds, SB calls 3,278


Poker Stars, $3.19 + $0.31 NL Hold'em Tournament, 400/800 Blinds, 75 Ante, 8 Players

CO: 6,160
BTN: 5,340
SB: 11,881
BB: 12,609
UTG: 16,228
JodaB. (UTG+1): 11,824
MP1: 6,275
MP2: 21,129

Pre-Flop: (1,800) K Q dealt to JodaB. (UTG+1)
UTG folds, JodaB. raises to 1,600, MP1 folds, MP2 raises to 21,054 and is All-In, 3 folds, BB calls 11,734 and is All-In, JodaB. folds