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what do you guys think
Poker Stars, $25 + $2.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 40 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG+1: 2,350
UTG+2: 7,608
MP1: 675
MP2: 17,415
CO: 4,340
BTN: 7,590
Hero (SB): 9,431
BB: 13,022
UTG: 16,475
Pre-Flop: (810) T
A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to 600, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 600, 4 folds, Hero calls 450, BB folds
Flop: (2,460) A
9
6 (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG bets 1,200, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 1,200
Turn: (4,860) A (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks
River: (4,860) 7
(2 Players)
Hero bets 1,050, UTG raises to 3,700 Hero :mad: ???
fold all day against THAY3R?
pretty sure its a sigh fold, just wasnt sure if my river sizing was horrendous or not
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG+1: 2,350
UTG+2: 7,608
MP1: 675
MP2: 17,415
CO: 4,340
BTN: 7,590
Hero (SB): 9,431
BB: 13,022
UTG: 16,475
Pre-Flop: (810) T
A dealt to Hero (SB)UTG raises to 600, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 600, 4 folds, Hero calls 450, BB folds
Flop: (2,460) A
9 6 (3 Players)Hero checks, UTG bets 1,200, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 1,200
Turn: (4,860) A
(2 Players)Hero checks, UTG checks
River: (4,860) 7
(2 Players)Hero bets 1,050, UTG raises to 3,700 Hero :mad: ???
fold all day against THAY3R?
pretty sure its a sigh fold, just wasnt sure if my river sizing was horrendous or not
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deck is freezing cold if villain has AA
I think my sizing on the river was so weak (like 1/4 pot) he thought he could get me off a hand like Ax here
I tried to make it so that even if he had Ax and had me out kicked, id lose min, but also tried to make my sizing look nut-ish with a boat or the flush
when he re raised the river I thought of hands that he could so this with, and decided he's trying to blow me off the hand, at least that is my donkey read.
really tough spot for me
nutted you would very likely bet bigger, unless you were trying to look weak and get raised and thats prob not a good plan if you actually had a hand either (more out leveling).
if your gonna bet as a blocking bet, you generally have to fold to a raise.....maybe if its min you can call, but really if you want to see the river cheap as possible, either check/call, or donk/fold.....donk calling is just charging yourself more
This happened because of preflop I think. Flatting ATs 25 ish bbs in the sb 3 way vs an ep raiser is maybe ok in some spot but prob only if you can get away from times when you hit an ace (or two).
I'm not good enough to say for sure but I can say for sure that traditionally, your biggest leak is flatting and 3betting out of the blinds.
Pull out stove and put villain on a range...not a hand....and see how much equity you have each street. Don't put a person on a bluff, put them on a range and then add a % for bluffing, then compare it with pot odds. Thats only kinda relevant but putting person on a bluff and calling is ignoring most of his range.
You won't know if you are calling correctly anymore than seeing your aces get cracked helps you know if your aces hold 80% of the time.
river sizing is super bad, makes no sense. You want to bet small to induce or get thin value on dry boards when it's unlikely opponent has much so the only way to get value is inducing a bluff as opposed to hoping for a big call. You don't want to bet small when your hand is doing really poorly vs. a raise and you end up inducing spots where you don't know what to do like this. It shouldn't be too hard to see that this bet-sizing is going to induce some raises, so you have to have a plan for what you're going to do vs. a raise. If a raise is going to leave you in a brutal spot like this, then betting small to induce likely isn't a good plan. I think going like 3k-3.5k is ideal here, try to get value from TT+, maybe other random stuff some % of the time.
now the real question:
how bad is this line as a whole?
Poker Stars, $25 + $2.50 NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 40 Ante, 9 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG+1: 2,350
UTG+2: 7,608
MP1: 675
MP2: 17,415
CO: 4,340
BTN: 7,590
Hero (SB): 9,431
BB: 13,022
UTG: 16,475
Pre-Flop: (810) T
UTG raises to 600, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls 600, 4 folds, Hero calls 450, BB folds
Flop: (2,460) A
Hero checks, UTG bets 1,200, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls 1,200
Turn: (4,860) A
Hero checks, UTG checks
River: (4,860) 7
Hero bets 1,050, UTG raises to 3,700, Hero raises to 7,591 and is All-In, UTG folds
Results: 12,260 Pot
Hero showed T
yeah, I figured it was horrible
I had him on KK or QQ or a pp that missed, that's what I put his range on from his UTG raise, his line didn't make any sense to me
I do know now that I played the hand horrible, and I do appreciate the input. I really gotta work on using that fold button.
At least that's what I'd say if you had 10k on the river
At first, after this hand I thought I was a genius, then I thought about it, then i posted it, and now im positive im still the same donk lol
fack
lol, true, im a retard
As for a 3b from the SB in this hand, I dont like it, especially considering the UtG raise from a player that can probably own my soul post flop oop. I shoulda just folded pre I think
Trip A's > KK, QQ, or pp that missed. I really don't think any of those hands are even really in his range cuz it doesn't make sense for him to be raising those hands when he could bluff catch a 20% pot bet. His range is far more polarized, basically straights or better, and air balls. I don't really think he plays Ax or a flush this way often at all tho, so it's usually a boat or straight.
It's def just some fundamental leaks. I can tell you just from this thread that your hand reading needs work because the range that you put him on consists of hands that I don't even think are part of his range, let alone his entire range. In order to make proper decisions you need to be able to range people accurately, then the next step is learning how to play against and exploit the ranges you put someone on. It's possible to be a good hand reader but not know how to choose the best play based on that range.
Also in the last post there's some inconsistent logic when you say "I don't like 3Bing someone who can own my soul post flop OOP", then deciding to flat, because 3-betting usually works to reduce positional advantage by bloating the pot and getting chips in earlier. Position is far more important when you can play flop/turn/river than if you're having to make decisions for most of your chips on the flop. If you think he's loose enough to consider flatting (he's opening like 15-20% or more UTG), then 3-betting ATs is completely fine, it's probably one of the nut hands to 3-bet light here.
Thanx for the insight Jake
Thing is, hand reading is one of my strengths, I think I'm pretty good at putting players on ranges relative to their position. At least I used to think so lol
I think my leak here is that I'm intimidated of other opponents that I respect a great deal, so I give them way to much credit, and then (in this example) by the river I decide basically "fuck you I got trip aces I'm not folding" which, is obviously ridiculous.
This thread is an eye opener for me in the fact that my overall perception is so skewed. Still having fundamental leaks when I've put so much time into my game really brings me down lol
lmao
I'm pretty sure there is a turn <.<