What's your turbo mtt gameplan for $5-$27 turbo freezeouts?
For a while now I've felt lost in turbos. I know they're high variance but spots come up more often where I just don't know what the correct play is.
I really wanna get good at these because they're so much fun but for now it seems like I'm just burning money playing them (had a top 3 finish in one in January but since then its just been a plummet).
So what's your turbo mtt gameplan when you reg a $5-$27 turbo mtt? How are you playing a 10bb, 15bb, 20bb stack? Are you raise-folding with any of these stacksizes?
Also if any of you would be willing to share a turbo mtt hand hist of one that you went deep in it would be much appreciated, I need all the help I can get.
fwiw I've watched dannyN13's turbo series and other series on turbos but am still feeling lost in them. I know a couple grinders who seem to play tighter than they should in a lot of spots (pass up spots where they should either be shoving or calling, and blind down to like 5bbs) do pretty well in these, but I also see some sickos play super aggro and do pretty good as well.
I really wanna get good at these because they're so much fun but for now it seems like I'm just burning money playing them (had a top 3 finish in one in January but since then its just been a plummet).
So what's your turbo mtt gameplan when you reg a $5-$27 turbo mtt? How are you playing a 10bb, 15bb, 20bb stack? Are you raise-folding with any of these stacksizes?
Also if any of you would be willing to share a turbo mtt hand hist of one that you went deep in it would be much appreciated, I need all the help I can get.
fwiw I've watched dannyN13's turbo series and other series on turbos but am still feeling lost in them. I know a couple grinders who seem to play tighter than they should in a lot of spots (pass up spots where they should either be shoving or calling, and blind down to like 5bbs) do pretty well in these, but I also see some sickos play super aggro and do pretty good as well.
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If its plus ev to shove then I rarely fold.
If i can raise/fold I will generally min raise (w/antes), atc.
If you can't raise/fold to any stacks cause they are short, I'll shove if its +ev
Watch A Beautiful Mind.
Vs rec/fishy blinds you can min raise pre and cbet any flop profitabley with atc, every single time and never adjusting.
bvb 10bbs/antes or less never fold and on the button vs two rec players you can possibly shove any two.
overcalling ranges from the bb when < 10 bbs are pretty gigantic vs semi competent players (65s etc)
people are looser when the blinds are smaller late and tighter when the blind are bigger at the same stage.
Regs are looser when the blinds are going up in less than a minute.
If the stack sizes are perfect for a min raise then you should 3bet jam vs min raising villain slightly wider than normal
If the bb is sitting out you can shove a lot wider, if he is all in pre then you need to shove tighter
If a reg min raises QQ with 9 bbs then you can call his 9bb shove lighter because his range is capped.
If someone is sitting out most players don't notice if you shove wider.
Regs will jam wider when someone is sitting out so you can call them lighter.
Color coding players helps one learn to adjust
whenever I write a post I imagine a good reg is taking notes on me
To me, it all comes from a strong understanding of the nash equilibrium jam ranges
i don't have mtt turbo last hh's but I have 180 mans and 180 3rs
I get berated by winning regs all day everyday for my shoves/calls, never by someone who is more winning than me
There are two different schools of though for playing utg with < 10bbs...one is to shove a normal range and hit the blinds, another is to shove a giant range....if you see a reg hit the bb with 3bbs then you know what strat he uses, if he shove q4s utg with 5bbs then you can look him up really light always when hes utg
profitable players shove the widest consistently. 99% don't know how to adjust.
More edit: JodaBux says if K2s is +ev to shove and you fold K9s you are making a mistake that involes missing out on K2s-k9s....therefore folding k9s is a bigger mistake than it looks. Breakeven regs would win alot more if they understood this.....that is....we shove ranges not hands
But I'll send one that Im aggro in start to finish....its about the cards and spots not my mood.
I learned from a great Awice post that although Nash say to shove wide in icm spots, it also assumes tight callers, if the players to act are not tight then nash wants you to shove a lot tighter....I'm playing money spots upside down from how I used to now....
Although wetts and someone else found hitthepandas style awkward, I found his the most helpful, other than Bfizz11 (v and btp)
Sometimes I'll have a table with 2 very good regs 3 other winning regs and me. Sometimes I'll have 7 marked fish. Its important to know the table and adjust....shoving wider on fish, and calling loose vs regs.....the more winning the looser you can call
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Lots to be made from limpers. If someone limps ill extend my range by a few %. If they do it again ill shove 14ish bbs w/antes all suited aces, pairs, suited broadway. If they do it again all aces, all BW, k7sish and up, some sc's. It's important to shove hands like T9s and JTs on limpers rather than fold those hands. Having Ace blockers and King blockers is good because if they call your usually ahead.
If someone limp calls AA then there preflop raising range is capped.
If you aren't getting it in bad vs limpers or vs regs then you aren't extending your value ranges enough. Maybe? ???
if someone limps bvb 10bbish in sb then shove atc, if they have a monster note them, if they fold note them. If your in the sb with qq vs a reg youve never played limp and he will insta jam. but don't do it again.
if i have 43o in the sb and the bb is tight and especially if its late I will limp pre and cbet any flop rather than shove my stack
only 1 player adjusts fully to me and I gave him his own color (hes not known), and I raise called 30bbs on the ft bubble with kqo vs him and he had k7....but i fold ak for 35bbs at the ft
the better the reg the more tables and the less he adjusts or care to or needs to.
if your unsure you can search a player, if hes on 20 tables hes wider if hes hidden he might be wider, if hes on 2 tables hes likely tightish
With no antes nash assume tightish calling ranges that sometimes aren't realistic, so you shouldn't shove too wide mp and ep, but if your suited its not so bad
Sooted mistakes are 4 combos, offsuit mistakes are 16ish <<< again this is jodabux
******* clubs have special powers
4:20 tho
you can be wider right on the break, some antes are a higher % of the blinds at certain levels. when the table is full there are more antes on the table so you can shove very slightly wider, its not as lucrative 3 handed......but some argue you hit the blinds more
i fold aks and jj first level when people 4bet or shove 75 bbs, some call...some winning players (although mostly pre black friday) shove aq first level. some teach and play by open limping early game like i hate rivers and players open limping ajs early game. I don't recommend but they do it.
phishman420 went off on me for snapping him with a6s in the sbish vs his bu or cu on the ft bubble and he had k9s and he was isoing and my note on him was he iso's light late.
Fanov (i think) berated me for shoving light on the but when he was in the bb and called me with AQs. there is money in that sentence.
When regs call me with AA i say good call and they think "yes it is a good call"
You make money when you 3bet bluff with 9Ts in the correct spot and you get snap called vs KK
The pros here will argue me but I think we make our money from the bottom of our +ev shove range not the top. We dont make any money from shoving AA we make it from shoving 87s (especially clubs)
Its possible for shoving too wide to be better than shoving too tight
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That's the one, thanks. I had skimmed it before but couldn't find it again just now for some reason
malcolm gladwell's blink book will tell you the more info you have from pt4 the worse your decisions will be
Most Portuguese poker players like me and remember me
I saw reebs push light 2 times, if its loose than me its reeeeeeeeeeally loose imo
If a reg 3bet jams and shows up with low offsuit cards vs me hes either unreal or doesn't understand.....only 2 players i know have done that successfully
when you jam 8bbs bvb antes vs a rec player with 73s and he calls you with Ako you gained
If you don't know who samo is and haven't read his initialish thread then you need to.
Icy pots /end thread
just kidding
no im not
the answer to this thread that may go ignored is that min raising is good because we might min/call88 vs a shove but fold vs a shove and a caller. maybe 5 villains will stack off and we can fold TT
ill only post this one more time
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the super man punch needs to be setup up with leg kicks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVVGZEFQusM
theres no difference between a 'stop hit' and poker
not possible imo
So be careful with Awice threads b/c hes on a level most of us are certainly not and will likely never be. And bc of that he sometimes speaks in tongues so to speak. I cruised with him at COPC from Grey Eagle to Deerfoot (McDonalds pitstop FTW) and we talked about SuperTurbo HU strategy that he was working on with Mel Weisner and it was mindexplode.jpg
Some real sickos in there.
any hand histories will help me guys!
Pm me your email. I can send you a hyper one now, the rest are on my old laptop. I guess I can request from ps as well.