Blue Water Classic.
I recently played in the Blue Water classic taking place at Point Edward casino this week and I would recommend that you avoid playing at all costs. I was told by some people at my local casino that the tournament directors are extremely biased towards the locals and my experience backs that up.
We had played down to about 40 people when I went all in from seat ten. Seat one called me and everyone else folded. I tabled my pair of twos in front of me and I saw that seat ten had ace king. Seat ten then said what does he got as the dealer was in the way of him seeing. I moved my cards out from in front of me and one of the edges of the card touched the muck. The dealer immediately called the tournament director who told me that their rule was that if any cards touched the muck the hand was dead. I explained to him that I tabled my cards in front of me first and only moved them out when seat ten requested to see what I had. The dealer stated the first time she saw the cards was when I moved them out (because she was not paying attention). Four people at the table backed me up but the TD said he was only interested in what the dealer said. He declared my hand dead and awarded the chips to the player in seat ten. I noticed that when the player in seat ten was moved to our table a few minutes earlier the dealer greeted him by name and asked how his mother was. All I can say is that I will never return to Point Edward. I asked TD at Branford and Niagara casino how they would have ruled and even though they are all under the same set of rules they told me the decision was a joke and they would have dealt the cards out. Consider yourself warned!
We had played down to about 40 people when I went all in from seat ten. Seat one called me and everyone else folded. I tabled my pair of twos in front of me and I saw that seat ten had ace king. Seat ten then said what does he got as the dealer was in the way of him seeing. I moved my cards out from in front of me and one of the edges of the card touched the muck. The dealer immediately called the tournament director who told me that their rule was that if any cards touched the muck the hand was dead. I explained to him that I tabled my cards in front of me first and only moved them out when seat ten requested to see what I had. The dealer stated the first time she saw the cards was when I moved them out (because she was not paying attention). Four people at the table backed me up but the TD said he was only interested in what the dealer said. He declared my hand dead and awarded the chips to the player in seat ten. I noticed that when the player in seat ten was moved to our table a few minutes earlier the dealer greeted him by name and asked how his mother was. All I can say is that I will never return to Point Edward. I asked TD at Branford and Niagara casino how they would have ruled and even though they are all under the same set of rules they told me the decision was a joke and they would have dealt the cards out. Consider yourself warned!
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Players are responsible for their cards at all times.
I am amazed that in a world that includes the full tilt debacle people still don’t seem to care if others are ripped off. It was me today it will be you tomorrow, lol.
Soul read.
Your first post is something like this? naw, ulterior motive imo... Are you sure you didn't fling them after the dealer flopped a A or K? Just wondering..
But then again, I've played in casinos where rules differ depending on which supervisor you ask.
I would have ninja starred cards, Ferguson style, right into the dealers forehead after I saw an overcard on the flop.
"I have a feeling there is more to this story than presently tabled.."
From what I remember, your first action was when you tabled your cards you threw them so hard they went into the muck. Your cards were not first tabled and then moved into the muck, you threw them in there. The dealer then called the floor. There was no conversation with the other player at all about them not being able to see your cards and you moving them into the muck.
None of us at the table backed you up, we were all dead silent because your cards were sitting in the muck. We all felt bad for you because you were so upset.
It is a pretty basic rule that any seasoned poker player knows. If your cards hit the muck, they are dead.
What you didnt see when you left the table was that once you were gone we all talked about it and backed up the TD's decision. We just didnt want to say anything in front of you because you were so visibly upset.
It was not the dealers fault, that was doing her job, it was not the TD's fault for making the call.
As poker players, sometimes we have to learn the hard way for our mistakes. However I dont think you learned anything here because your attitude is that you didnt do anything wrong and are blaming everyone (dealer, TD, collusion with people at the table etc) but yourself.
I do like what Popkorn had to say though. I wish more casino's used that rule.
Welcome Juice, nice to hear a "neutral" side to the story, Just knew there was more to it.. FYI, the OP has not been back since April. He was not getting the sympathy he so obviously wanted..