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PokerStars Hand #77516111378: Tournament #535258384, $2.28+$0.22 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2012/03/20 10:41:41 PT [2012/03/20 13:41:41 ET]
Table '535258384 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: icar0 (21815 in chips)
Seat 2: bushidoCZ (43861 in chips)
Seat 3: Kašpirovskis (50272 in chips)
Seat 5: Chuck8880 (64486 in chips)
Seat 6: chriisthoo (6890 in chips)
Seat 7: hero (55548 in chips)
Seat 8: s1ng1e (10643 in chips)
Seat 9: Razorbraz (16485 in chips)
icar0: posts the ante 150
bushidoCZ: posts the ante 150
Kašpirovskis: posts the ante 150
Chuck8880: posts the ante 150
chriisthoo: posts the ante 150
hero: posts the ante 150
s1ng1e: posts the ante 150
Razorbraz: posts the ante 150
hero: posts small blind 800
s1ng1e: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ks Ad]
Razorbraz: raises 14735 to 16335 and is all-in
icar0: folds
bushidoCZ: raises 27376 to 43711 and is all-in
Kašpirovskis: folds
Chuck8880: folds
chriisthoo: folds
hero: folds ???
edit: I think this is a spot where future edge makes this a fold. A sigh fold but i feel pretty strong about it.
I also just realized i have aq kq and aj blockers
Table '535258384 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: icar0 (21815 in chips)
Seat 2: bushidoCZ (43861 in chips)
Seat 3: Kašpirovskis (50272 in chips)
Seat 5: Chuck8880 (64486 in chips)
Seat 6: chriisthoo (6890 in chips)
Seat 7: hero (55548 in chips)
Seat 8: s1ng1e (10643 in chips)
Seat 9: Razorbraz (16485 in chips)
icar0: posts the ante 150
bushidoCZ: posts the ante 150
Kašpirovskis: posts the ante 150
Chuck8880: posts the ante 150
chriisthoo: posts the ante 150
hero: posts the ante 150
s1ng1e: posts the ante 150
Razorbraz: posts the ante 150
hero: posts small blind 800
s1ng1e: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [Ks Ad]
Razorbraz: raises 14735 to 16335 and is all-in
icar0: folds
bushidoCZ: raises 27376 to 43711 and is all-in
Kašpirovskis: folds
Chuck8880: folds
chriisthoo: folds
hero: folds ???
edit: I think this is a spot where future edge makes this a fold. A sigh fold but i feel pretty strong about it.
I also just realized i have aq kq and aj blockers
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edit: with that many short stacks there's a good chance vekked will pop by and talk icm, I didn't really do any calculations so I'm a bit curious on what our equity needs to be vs villain 2 to make this +$EV
PokerStars Hand #77527109820: Tournament #565010532, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2012/03/20 16:32:37 ET
Table '565010532 18' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: canuckblood (5871 in chips)
Seat 2: sladgie (3776 in chips)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (14460 in chips)
Seat 4: muka_gaming (6748 in chips)
Seat 5: Arend88 (20946 in chips)
Seat 6: Eek-A-Donk (17945 in chips)
Seat 7: stonia19 (13636 in chips)
Seat 8: Anton Marcus (7771 in chips)
Seat 9: Kompre$$or (13798 in chips)
canuckblood: posts the ante 25
sladgie: posts the ante 25
BetrThanPhil: posts the ante 25
muka_gaming: posts the ante 25
Arend88: posts the ante 25
Eek-A-Donk: posts the ante 25
stonia19: posts the ante 25
Anton Marcus: posts the ante 25
Kompre$$or: posts the ante 25
canuckblood: posts small blind 150
sladgie: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BetrThanPhil [Ac Ks]
BetrThanPhil: raises 300 to 600
muka_gaming: raises 6123 to 6723 and is all-in
Arend88: folds
Eek-A-Donk: raises 11197 to 17920 and is all-in
stonia19: folds
Anton Marcus: folds
Kompre$$or: folds
canuckblood: folds
sladgie: folds
BetrThanPhil: folds
Uncalled bet (11197) returned to Eek-A-Donk
sladgie said, "i didnt even notice till now like wtf am i so short stacked"
*** FLOP *** [7c 3h Ts]
*** TURN *** [7c 3h Ts] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [7c 3h Ts 6s] [2d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
muka_gaming: shows [9d 9s] (a pair of Nines)
Eek-A-Donk: shows [Ad As] (a pair of Aces)
Eek-A-Donk collected 14721 from pot
muka_gaming finished the tournament in 501st place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 14721 | Rake 0
Board [7c 3h Ts 6s 2d]
Seat 1: canuckblood (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: sladgie (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil folded before Flop
Seat 4: muka_gaming showed [9d 9s] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 5: Arend88 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Eek-A-Donk showed [Ad As] and won (14721) with a pair of Aces
Seat 7: stonia19 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Anton Marcus folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Kompre$$or (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
edit:
payouts: .3,.2,.119,.08,.065,.05,.035,.026,.017,.012 + nash calculator beta ftw
http://www.holdemresources.net/hr/beta/calculator.html
NITS!
nits FTW
You didn't do it at FT covering both in front.
nash initially has us calling with KK+.
But I had to adjust the iso-shover's range wider which I expected and confirmed...i put him around 66+ AJo+, ATs+...maybe kqs...I don't want to go wider obv cause I think you should ultra err on the tight side. And Nash calc gives JJ+
Even if I capped his range which I think is reasonable and took AA and KK out then its still only TT+
I might seriously consider folding JJ if i can't cap the reshovers range.
Side note: this final table hit when the blinds were at 1600/800 which is a little early compared to most, so I think that suggest generally everyone is a little looser than average. It suggest both shover's ranges are a little wider than normal and that in some spots we can make a marginal call if its really close. It also tells us we can fold some marginal shoves because we will get looked up a little more on average. Lastly it tells us folding marginal shoves and some other spots can be advantageous because other players will bust each other out slightly more frequently. Or am I crazy talk!??