1-2NL Downtown Toronto Every Tues,Thur,Fri,Sun @8PM

TORONTO POKERCLUB

Friendly Poker Game hosted in the GTA, Anyone is welcome.
Mature friendly crowd, young professional people just having a good time.

1-2NL Every Tuesday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday @8PM

8PM FREEROLL - Before every game we have a free turbo poker tourny, a chance to win free money, (lasts about 30mins) follow by 1-2NL Cash Game.

HighHand Jackpot Every 2 Hours!!!

Food And Drinks Provided.
FREE WI-FI


Text/Call for info,
Cheers
Eric
647-893-5652

AYJPoker

does the TPC ever host $25 and under no limit holdem tournaments? ^

TORONTO POKERCLUB

1-2NL Downtown Toronto Every Tues,Thur,Fri,Sun @8PM
Friendly Poker Game hosted in the GTA, Anyone is welcome.
Mature friendly crowd, young professional people just having a good time.

1-2NL Every Tuesday, Thursday, Friday & Sunday @8PM

8PM FREEROLL - Before every game we have a free turbo poker tourny, a chance to win free money, (lasts about 30mins) follow by 1-2NL Cash Game.

HighHand Jackpot Every 2 Hours!!!

Food And Drinks Provided.
FREE WI-FI


Text/Call for info,
Cheers
Eric
647-893-5652

bax123

I'm not going to this place anymore. I went there three times only to eventually realize that these guys by Queen and Bathurst seem to have the game rigged in their and their friends' favour. 3-4 of the same Asian guys are always there and I have noticed them sending signals to each other a few times. They seem to be cooperating enough to take the majority of the big hands. The dealers, the organizers and these same 3-4 guys are all friends and will stop play once all of the independents are gone, and boy do those independents lose quickly and quite frequently on the river. Enough is enough, I'm not getting suckered in anymore.

blackmagicz

Hmmm.....I know the guys that run this game, doesn't seem right that they would run something like this. Ill try to confirm.

JimmyHo

why would someone bother rigging a 1/2 game?? also they make enough off rake.

STR82ACE

pokerJAH wrote: »

why would someone bother rigging a 1/2 game?? also they make enough off rake.

There is never a good explanation for greed.

Ted, look forward to your investigation. Keep us posted.

JimmyHo

Think it comes down to another river sob story, got my share let me tell you.

TORONTO POKERCLUB

Woah, i've never heard of that before. Been running this game for the last 5 years. It hurts to hear that coming from a player. I was actually on vacation at the time and my partner was running it, when i came back i heard about this complaint where a player said he kept getting rivered and felt that it was rigged. P.s the last hand he lost was 400-500 pot, he thought the dealer rigged it to let a wealthy man win. Why would he ?

Anyways im sorry to hear you fell that way. I hope it doesn't affect anyone. Cheers Eric

B01976

This is an interesting forum. I can feel for what BAX123 said, even if he is right or wrong. If playing poker for money Bax, however, I only do it at casinos or with a group of friends as a team - Never at any underground place by myself. My reasons for doing so are as follows:
First of all, home based games tend to have several friends/muscle there as players for obvious security reasons. As an incentive to playing, these guys tend to cooperate with each other and develop stategies for getting any other players money (I know because I used to be on a team). The methods to do so without anyone else knowing are many..(sorry I'll keep my secrets). Also, some home games have talented dealers who can rig decks or deal out an ideal card well beyond the comprehension of a player knowing so (I'm pretty good at card tricks, but others are better, especially Asians - sorry to stereotype). You can see videos of this on the internet and be astonished at just how awesome a hand can be rigged from a well shuffled and cut deck, and the dealers often know exactly what card to deal out from the signalling done at the table.
I never played this game on Queen Street in Toronto, but I used to play small time in Vancouver just to learn the tricks of the trade, and no doubt of the few places that I went to they all maximized earnings in some ways. I eventually got together with a few friends and we all learned how to double our winnings by working together. Unfortunately my team got in a war with another team, and I decided to stop playing out in Vancouver for safety reasons (don't mess with Russians). But now that I'm in Toronto, anyone looking for a good team member??

JimmyHo

I have a friend who I have played with for several years (he actually use to run a club) and he told me about an incident at a satellite where players were dumping chips to another player. Basically the short stack would raise pre-flop and two deep stack friends would call. Then he would raise on the flop and turn, and both players would call. Then on the river he bets and they both would auto fold. What made it obvious was the bet size on the river was nominal compared to the overall pot size. When this happens hand after hand, it gets to be a little too suspicious. There is lots of cheating going on and if you suspect it, just avoid the game.

B01976

Hey PokerJAH - Yeah, I've seen that move made at times in casino poker rooms. Maybe novice players won't notice it, but I agree that that is a move that will cause better players some concern. The trick for teams is to have a variety of moves (at least a dozen) and use a few of them no more than once in any given poker night. Besides the moves, be careful of the cards. There are ways to communicate what cards are out there, for example, knowing what cards your team members had to get an advantage or even find out what your opponents cards are. I knew a guy who went so far as to get a good conterfeiter to make customized cards that were so difficult to distinguish from each other that it took him over a month to be able to read them with any level of confidence (unfortunately he didn't give me the recipe), but he did show me one of his decks and man the differences were so miniscule that I don't think anyone could have known.

JimmyHo

I have played at a club where on two separate occasions, it became apparent that we were playing with 53 cards (both times there was an extra ace in the deck). One time I was in the hand and I held the ace of hearts and on the flop I had the nut flush draw. Turn is the ace of hearts. I double check my cards and then tell the dealer there is something going on and flip over the extra ace. It was just a dealer change (with a new deck) and they blamed it on a miss count of the new deck. But it happened twice at the same club so something was definitely up.

Maybe you can enlighten us on other moves to be aware of?

kid2pairs

is this the place at queen st west that's close to portland st? at a place where you have to walk up the stairs to get into the apartment where they play the games?

if so then i don't have anything bad to say about the club itself, it felt safe and everyone looked friendly. i only had a problem with one dealer and it was more of a personal problem.

what happened was that i got raised on the turn and i called, the dealer ended up flipping both the turn and river card even though nobody went all in. i would've ended up getting a flush on the river while the guy i was going heads up against got a 3 of a kind on the river. obviously i needed that river card to win and the guy i went heads up against said he would go all in for the river card that got revealed and i agreed with him.

however since the dealer made the mistake of showing the river card too early they ended up throwing it away and reshuffled the deck for a new river card. they said the rule is that if nobody bets again before the river they would keep the original card that i needed for the flush. however the other player ended up going all in to get a new river card and i ended up folding because i didn't knew my chances of getting another diamond card was slim since looking at how the dealer shuffled, there was no way that diamond card was going near the of the deck again.

it was mostly my fault for agreeing to all in the other player right after the river card was revealed. i'm inexperienced at playing live poker games and mostly play online and i only went to this place to try out live poker for fun.

i'm not angry at losing the pot, i think it had over $150? i don't remember exact amount the pot was since this happened in 2 months ago. i've lost bigger pots playing online poker but i never let it get to me.

the issue i'm speaking about was the friend of the dealer who was also a dealer at this place went up to the other player and started asking what happened then after the player told him he said "yea man there was NO WAY he would call you wasn't going to happen". and then they start talking for a minute about how i would never call his all in on the river even if the river card wasn't shown early.

really? fuck off, how do you know i wouldn't have called him. obviously i wasn't going to call him all in the second time when i knew one of the diamond cards went to the bottom of the deck after it was revealed unintentionally.

again i don't have a problem with this place, it's alright and i didn't notice anything shady between the guys playing.

B01976

I enjoy a good game of poker now and then and wanted to give the queen street game a shot. In my couple of hours of playing there I noticed the waitress there slip a deck of cards to the dealer quickly and very indescretly twice. Both times that it happened I and at least one other (non asian) player were dealt high pocket pairs that looked good to win. I decided not to play, which drew strange looks from the organizer who wasn't playing. No surprise that had I not noticed I would have flopped sets only to lose to a straight and a flush. Not that I'd ever go back, I see the game totally rigged to at least 2 guys favour and both obvious friends of the organizer. Too bad for the other poor sap who went broke both times. St least I left up some mola

piggypie123

B01976 wrote: »

I enjoy a good game of poker now and then and wanted to give the queen street game a shot. In my couple of hours of playing there I noticed the waitress there slip a deck of cards to the dealer quickly and very indescretly twice. Both times that it happened I and at least one other (non asian) player were dealt high pocket pairs that looked good to win. I decided not to play, which drew strange looks from the organizer who wasn't playing. No surprise that had I not noticed I would have flopped sets only to lose to a straight and a flush. Not that I'd ever go back, I see the game totally rigged to at least 2 guys favour and both obvious friends of the organizer. Too bad for the other poor sap who went broke both times. St least I left up some mola

Is there anything that can be done about this? Can these people be charged by the police for doing something like this?

djgolfcan

piggypie123 wrote: »

Is there anything that can be done about this? Can these people be charged by the police for doing something like this?

Raked games, outside a casino, are illegal. One call to the popo, and it gets shut down.

JimmyHo

djgolfcan wrote: »

One call to the popo, and it gets shut down.

Very unlikely. I don't think the local police have any authority over illegal cardrooms. Always thought it was a provincial police issue (i.e. OPP). Don't recall a club being busted in a long time and they are all very well known to the authorities. Not really a priority. Just avoid the shady ones.

piggypie123

I guess what goes around comes around, karma will catch up with them. One day they will rip off the wrong guys, who will tear that place right up.