trying to improve my plo game

betrthanphil · January 2012

gonna start posting random hands here just so I can see if my frame of mind is right in this game, feel free to critique any part of any hand i post

This one is obv after flop I assume, but just want to know if pre flop call is ok?

PokerStars Hand #74567716788: Tournament #2012001037, $50+$5 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level XV (300/600) - 2012/01/27 11:18:50 ET
Table '2012001037 81' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: xandyLx (9150 in chips)
Seat 2: olehan (16060 in chips)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (15000 in chips)
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra (20448 in chips)
Seat 5: VolkovDenis (19860 in chips)
Seat 6: DenStar1 (15714 in chips)
olehan: posts small blind 300
BetrThanPhil: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BetrThanPhil [4d 5s 6s 5c]
Eddie_Morra: folds
VolkovDenis: folds
DenStar1: folds
xandyLx: raises 1500 to 2100
olehan: calls 1800
BetrThanPhil: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [2h Td 5d]
olehan: checks
BetrThanPhil: checks
xandyLx: bets 6300
olehan: raises 6900 to 13200
BetrThanPhil: calls 12900 and is all-in
xandyLx: calls 750 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (300) returned to olehan
*** TURN *** [2h Td 5d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [2h Td 5d Th] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
olehan: shows [8d Ac 7s 7d] (two pair, Tens and Sevens)
BetrThanPhil: shows [4d 5s 6s 5c] (a full house, Fives full of Tens)
BetrThanPhil collected 11700 from side pot
xandyLx: shows [Qh Ah 4h 3s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
BetrThanPhil collected 27450 from main pot
xandyLx finished the tournament in 754th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 39150 Main pot 27450. Side pot 11700. | Rake 0
Board [2h Td 5d Th 6c]
Seat 1: xandyLx (button) showed [Qh Ah 4h 3s] and lost with a straight, Deuce to Six
Seat 2: olehan (small blind) showed [8d Ac 7s 7d] and lost with two pair, Tens and Sevens
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (big blind) showed [4d 5s 6s 5c] and won (39150) with a full house, Fives full of Tens
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: VolkovDenis folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: DenStar1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

this is a turbo if that means anything here lol

betrthanphil · January 2012

what should our line be here, cbet fold to raise?

PokerStars Hand #74568169262: Tournament #2012001037, $50+$5 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVI (400/800) - 2012/01/27 11:27:31 ET
Table '2012001037 81' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: johnxfleming (29600 in chips)
Seat 2: deborFtW (6080 in chips)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (47180 in chips)
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra (23988 in chips)
Seat 5: VolkovDenis (8260 in chips)
Seat 6: DenStar1 (12204 in chips)
Eddie_Morra: posts small blind 400
VolkovDenis: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BetrThanPhil [Ah Qc Ad Kh]
DenStar1: folds
johnxfleming: raises 800 to 1600
deborFtW: folds
BetrThanPhil: raises 2400 to 4000
Eddie_Morra: folds
VolkovDenis: folds
johnxfleming: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [8d 9s 5d]
johnxfleming: checks
BetrThanPhil: checks
*** TURN *** [8d 9s 5d] [Ks]
johnxfleming: checks
BetrThanPhil: checks
*** RIVER *** [8d 9s 5d Ks] [4h]
johnxfleming: bets 4800
BetrThanPhil: calls 4800
*** SHOW DOWN ***
johnxfleming: shows [Jc 4s 9c Td] (two pair, Nines and Fours)
BetrThanPhil: mucks hand
johnxfleming collected 18800 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 18800 | Rake 0
Board [8d 9s 5d Ks 4h]
Seat 1: johnxfleming showed [Jc 4s 9c Td] and won (18800) with two pair, Nines and Fours
Seat 2: deborFtW folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (button) mucked [Ah Qc Ad Kh]
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: VolkovDenis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: DenStar1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

betrthanphil · January 2012

is this a fold pre?
PokerStars Hand #74568506854: Tournament #2012001037, $50+$5 USD Omaha Pot Limit - Level XVIII (600/1200) - 2012/01/27 11:33:59 ET
Table '2012001037 81' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: johnxfleming (38156 in chips)
Seat 2: Kariyou77 (16040 in chips)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (34824 in chips)
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra (22588 in chips)
Seat 5: VolkovDenis (36744 in chips)
Seat 6: AykeT (46567 in chips)
Eddie_Morra: posts small blind 600
VolkovDenis: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BetrThanPhil [8s Qc Th Qs]
AykeT: raises 1400 to 2600
johnxfleming: raises 1600 to 4200
Kariyou77: folds
BetrThanPhil: folds
Eddie_Morra: folds
VolkovDenis: folds
AykeT: calls 1600
*** FLOP *** [6h 7s Ks]
AykeT: checks
johnxfleming: bets 6630
AykeT: folds
Uncalled bet (6630) returned to johnxfleming
johnxfleming collected 10200 from pot
johnxfleming: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10200 | Rake 0
Board [6h 7s Ks]
Seat 1: johnxfleming collected (10200)
Seat 2: Kariyou77 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: BetrThanPhil (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Eddie_Morra (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: VolkovDenis (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: AykeT folded on the Flop

moose · January 2012

1st hand is pretty useless. Even with flopping a straight or wrap means someone could be freerolling you to a higher straight/half your wrap outs, also A23 flop means someone could backdoor the A high straight against you. Pretty much avoid any combo where A on board would make you an A low straight because it puts higher straight combos out there.

HammerDad · January 2012

Hand 1 is probably a fold pre as we are OOP and out hand is easily dominated. If we flop a set it is almost never going to be top set. As played, I get it in on the flop as there is only hand we have bad equity vs (1010xx). edit just noticed this was a H/L hand...yeah, trash it pre. You have a really bad low draw and a really bad high draw. So, really no nut draws save for 734 or A52...fold pre

Hand 2 - cbet/fold flop vs most villains. If you do check the flop, you have to bet at that turn as it crushes your range. So b/f turn. Fold river (and kick yourself for playing so passively) as played as you only have a bluff catcher.

Hand 3 - is a fold pre. Most villains 3bet range (unless they are aggro) will be weighted heavily toward AAxx and KKxx. We have very few nut outs without j9 on the board and the flush draw is only to the 2nd nuts.... so I just fold.

T8urmoney · January 2012

Hand 1:

Probly fold pre is best, calling off way to high a % of your stack with that hand. You have limited flops that you hit well. I don't mind raising with it, when u can c-bet a missed flop and take it down alot of the time, but I don't like calling with it giving villain control of hand. 3-bet pre would be better than flatting, as he would fold a decent percent of the time to make it profitable (assuming villain is semi-decent).

Hand 2:

Need to c-bet for sure (i have set for 68% pot), if he check raises....quick fold, as we're flipping at absolute best, and most likely way behind. Some guys will check shove with a dry 1 pair, some with da nutz. Anything other than a fold by villain here.....time to shut down unless hand improves.

Hand 3:

Easy fold pre...hand like that I'm only entering by raising....and u can't raise profitably in that spot.

if I can't bet or raise.......should be folding.

Meistro · January 2012

Poker Stars $50+$5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 1612970
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: t29600 37 BBs
CO: t6080 7.60 BBs
Hero (BTN): t47180 58.98 BBs
SB: t23988 29.98 BBs
BB: t8260 10.32 BBs
UTG: t12204 15.26 BBs

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is BTN with A

Q

A

K

1 fold, MP raises to t1600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4000, 2 folds, MP calls t2400

Flop: (t9200) 8

9

5

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t9200) K

(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (t9200) 4

(2 players)
MP bets t4800, Hero calls t4800

Final Pot: t18800
MP shows J

4

9

T

(two pair, Nines and Fours)
Hero mucks A

Q

A

K

MP wins t18800

Meistro · January 2012

Please use hand converter linked to above ^^. Setting is phpBB Forums.

Meistro · January 2012

In the hand in my post, this is an obvious three bet pre. You are only 37 effective and have very strong aces. On the flop you have an SPR of 2.5:1 effective, aces, the nut blocker and no backdoors. Your opponent is probably calling with any but the most hopeless hands pre but is probably raising 'good' hands (wraps, two pair, double suited hands).

I think you should bet the flop. Around 4800. You are in position, can win the pot right now, don't necessarily have to fold if you are raised. There are really no good turn cards for you aside from an ace and you can only pick up a back door with J or T (discounting the possibility of running KQ for two pair). You will def. sometimes be stone dead.

This flop can be somewhat problematic if your three bet range is weighted more towards big pairs and uber monsters and especially you are deeper. But here you are only 2.5 SPR so you may be able to stack off blindly if you have no read on villian. Bet folding is also a viable line. On the turn checking after he checks again is criminal. It is important to struggle for pots when you are heads up.

HammerDad · January 2012

Meistro wrote: »

Poker Stars $50+$5 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t400/t800 Blinds - 6 players - View hand 1612970
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: t29600 37 BBs
CO: t6080 7.60 BBs
Hero (BTN): t47180 58.98 BBs
SB: t23988 29.98 BBs
BB: t8260 10.32 BBs
UTG: t12204 15.26 BBs

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is BTN with A Q A K
1 fold, MP raises to t1600, 1 fold, Hero raises to t4000, 2 folds, MP calls t2400

Flop: (t9200) 8 9 5(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (t9200) K(2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: (t9200) 4(2 players)
MP bets t4800, Hero calls t4800

Final Pot: t18800
MP shows J 4 9 T (two pair, Nines and Fours)
Hero mucks A Q A K
MP wins t18800

Same as another post. bet flop, bet turn etc. You had the lead and most bets take it down....flop up with you aggression and play from there if call.

trying to improve my plo game

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