Fallsview 1K seats for sale
I have a very limited number of Fallsview 1K seats for sale. PM me and I will sell them to the highest bidders.
Thanks,
Ryan
Thanks,
Ryan
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You're one of the first online poker players I met in real life. Ive known you for years, respect you and have spoken well of you to others. As someone who despises the scalpers at all of the live sports/concerts I attend, its hard for me to watch you join their scummy ranks.
To see you trying to rip off members from the poker community because they are stupid enough to pay 'the highest bid' is truly unfortunate.
Everyone else,
Your money is being spent very poorly paying above face value to enter this tournament. I can say with confidence that anyone stupid enough to pay the asking prices for these is literally lighting money on fire.
I feel sorry for both RGH and the sheep he's looking to fleece
You clearly have a major first world problem with scalpers as you've gone on both this forum and the other one complaining incessantly about it in every thread someone makes who is selling tickets to this event. If you don't like it, CALL FALLSVIEW AND LET THEM KNOW. Your anger should be directed at them, not people who are selling tickets. They are the ones allowing it to happen, and whether I do it or not, it WILL happen.
Last year, I was on the tables there and watched people come around selling hordes of tickets for extra money (MUCH more extra than I am selling them for). I have every right to buy extra tickets because of Fallsview's stupid policy, and I have a right to sell them. If you don't like it, that's your prerogative, but my threads are frankly none of your business, and I don't appreciate your anti-scalping crusade in threads I have posted in whatsoever. I have a handful of tickets to sell. Big deal. Someone had over 50 last year. If I hadn't have bought them, some Fallsview reg surely would have and would be doing the same thing, but assuredly waiting longer and asking for much more than I have. Making this a personal matter is absolutely asinine. Perhaps you should have made sure you got a ticket like I did if you wanted one badly enough that it's worth throwing away a friendship over it. It wasn't a secret what was going to happen. It happened last year. It will probably happen next year. They've been on sale for ages. It was stated in the Fallsview thread on 2p2 that it was going to sell out soon. You post on 2p2 a lot and speak to many people who are connected to this information in the poker world and you surely knew around how long you had to get a seat and knew you didn't have long. It almost seems like you had this anti-scalping crusade planned anyways, so I guess you got what you wanted.
Supply and demand is, for better or for worse, what runs both micro and macro economies. I took a risk and bought up tickets with my own money. Did I think the tournament would sell out? You're damned right I did. But it was a risk nonetheless, and I'd have had to sell them at below $1000 if it didn't, or if they, say, upped the number of entries to 1K on a whim, or made 2 Day 1s, etc. You're not the only person I know that NOW just wants one of the tickets for $1K. Why would I take the risk that I took if I was just getting tickets for my lazy friends? Why didn't they ask me to get them a ticket BEFOREHAND, which could have been easily arranged. If you had messaged me at the end of December/start of January, asked me if I was going, and asked me to pick you up a ticket, I would have and you KNOW I would have. Because you KNOW that I'm a person that (used to) have no problems doing people favours, right?
Your second last paragraph is also entirely incorrect, as I guess you haven't seen these fields (?) Don't you have a 30% ROI in this tournament in your opinion?
From here on in, if you have a problem with my posts, talk to me like a grownup like I did when I PRIVATELY messaged you. You have my MSN. I find it comical that of all the people you know in poker, I'm the one you feel sorry for because I'm reselling a handful of Fallsview tickets.
I don't care at all either way, but this specific reasoning is always lol for whatever you choose to apply it to in life...find me a situation where this line would not apply. Although, from most poker players it is expected. Also, justifying your stance by stating that you aren't ripping-off other players by quite as much as you conceivably could...more lol.
Fallsview is and always has been a joke...I think it is fine for OP to try his hand at being a scalper. To take the view that the majority of poker players would not do this is absurd. Play some live poker and see how vapid and degen most of the players are and then you will be amazed that someone didn't just buy all the tickets and set up a booth outside selling them.
Scotty, it you do not agree with Fallsview's policies then lobby them or just don't play there; however, it has long been known that they are a terribly run poker room and I am highly doubtful that anything will change without competition as long as the degen pool is alive and well. I think that your opinions wrt Ryan are just that, opinions. He has not done anything outside of any legal or moral code. To chastise him openly on the forum is not warranted. If he is a friend of yours then why would you not just express your opinion to him privately?
As for you not having an entry, as a serious poker player that seems to be a terrible gaff on your part.
So, you can just go to the cage and purchase as many entries as you want? No restrictions and no conditions on the sales?
To paraphrase: c'mon man.
debatable
which part?
well, not the legal one
He is doing nothing wrong. Someone else (and other people have) done the EXACT same thing! Blame the system don't blame Ryan.... If he hadn't bought those tickets another person would have and sold them for higher. Its Fallsviews fault for not putting a limit on the customer...
Whether it is right or wrong you just made the worst argument possible, ever.
Congrats.
Huge +1 to the above, and people are saying the same things on another poker forum we both post on.
To me, its not fine that someone I considered afriend is 'trying his hand' at a scum practice. I have spoken well of him when his name comes up in conversation, and now some of the
same people within earshot are shut out of playing this at face value ... but they can get in for 15% of their winnings from him if they want!! His desire to pocket a for a reasonably small sum has messed up his moral compass and Im embarassed that I vouched for him.
Poker is my 'profession,' anything people do to give the reputation of the game or its players a black eye is something Im going to be vocal against.
Meeting a girls parents and being introduced as a poker player gets harder with every immoral choice that fellow 'gamblers' make. Whenever someone says 'oh I know someone that plays poker' more often than not I dread the conversation, they almost never reflect well.
I've played 'some' live poker in the WSOP, EPT, and many casinos and private games over the last decade. There are many shady fucks that will value a few hundred bucks more than their reputation, this just hits close to home. Im bummed that Im a bad judge of character.
You're probably not wrong here.
You are wrong here.
We did exchange PMs. At first, I was elated and relieved, willing to offer him a freeroll on some of my profits. He responded with a very unreasonable demand (IMO) $1k cash and 15% of my cash. Keep in mind we go back a few years, and have bounced handhistories off eachother and given/taken advice. Many years ago I invited Ryan to be my guest for VIP at the skydome because I know hes a huge jays fan. Only a couple months ago myself and another prominent Canadian poker player were drunk as fuck in Hamilton after seeing PearlJam, Ryan drove us ALL THE WAY HOME after I texted him asking for a hamilton cab #.
If I won the tournament and had to give someone 15% for doing next to nothing except preventing me from buying a seat on my own, it would inspire violent thoughts - and Im a very nonviolent guy!
This just isnt the way you should treat your friends or members of a community that have made you better at poker. At least its not how I was raised, or how I would want people in my circle of friends behaving.
Its a 'gaff' I would rather commit than line some scum scalpers pockets with variance free money. I spew enough on all the concerts and sporting events I buy premium tickets to, not doing it for a $1k in a joke of a poker room.
He is trying to rip off his peers and members of poker communities he participates in, in my mind that is a moral gaff!
I've heard you can buy a max of 4, which means Mr. Hall (lest we forget: he is a government employed teacher!) had a partner in crime.
Ryan: Are you two splitting it 50/50? Did you pay them a wage, or were they doing it for free? What a GREAT friend if the latter!
Lol thanks for registering to share your insight!! Breaking the law is not wrong because, as Ryan has already shared with us OTHER PEOPLE WOULD HAVE!
how? lol...
LOL is right , please do us all a favour and resume what you were doing with your life before registering here today!
Try reading and I'm sure it will register with you in a few hours.
I bought 8 1k's and a 2.5k back in November, so a max of 4 is not right.
I gave 6 away at no rake OPT Satellites and sold 2 to other poker buddies for $1,000
Tell me how the f to multiquote so I can respond...yes, I see the button in the bottom right.
#1. Did he break any rules.
No.
#2. Was it morally wrong?
I don't think so some people do. We're clearly having an ethical debate here.
Is he doing harm to others by buying some extra tickets. You could argue that he is, because those tickets would of been purchased by someone who would of liked to of bought one at the going price. I'd argue that another scalper would have the tickets Ryan has if Ryan did get them first and maybe I'm wrong on that. Again, its debatable. Obviously this thread is heavily bias including myself, with people that are frustrated that don't have tickets and have to buy it at a higher price. Also, people that are frustrated with themselves that they didn't buy tickets way earlier on the day they were sold to insure themselves a ticket.
I'm far more upset about the system, there will always be scalpers... Hence why boxing day store got smart and started limiting items to 1-2 per customer etc. This happens all the time.
BTW, this is very much related to poker when you ask the question is it morally right to take money from a drunk that is spewing off. If you don't someone else will.
Thought I read somewhere it was 4, my bad. Wish I had a clue these went onsale in NOV, now Im not as shocked they sold out early Jan
Good on you for doing that, the OPT sounds great from everything Ive read! No wonder you're gettin shade sponsorships haha! Good luck to you, your friends & qualifiers
#1. Is the law a rule?
#2. Yes ... but not if other people doing it means no!
Please leave.
Personally, I don't have anything against anyone buying low and selling high.
But, I have never purchased anything from a scalper, ever. I just don't see the advantage, when I could have purchased the ticket for the going rate, if I really wanted to. If I missed out, oh well, it won't change my life.
If he's breaking a law, then if he's caught he'll be fined etc.
Again, saying its immoral I think is based on opinion.
All I can say is Ryan overall I really great guy. I'd vouch for him any day. He drove you and your friends all the way home to Toronto. I think you need to give the man a break.
No need to be rude.
After hearing Scott's arguments via PM and coming to an impasse, I told him our conversation is done. Since he's a hero sitting behind his Dell, he's decided to air this issue out in public again.
Scott, you have an unhealthy obsession with regards to this topic. I don't know what happened to you in the past but you referenced in a post somewhere that the scalpers know who you are and threaten you when you walk by. Why is this? Ultimately, this is a non-issue and you've had a huge blowup over it. Why did you not have a problem when people posted the same things in the forums last year? Oh yeah, you probably had your tickets, right? You need to get a grip. You hate scalpers because you go to every concert and sporting event around. In the big picture, life's sure pretty good when that's the case.
You did NOT PM me an offer. That's incorrect. You asked me to tell you what I could do. I had no idea what to offer as I didn't foresee selling tickets to friends in the poker world who should already have them. It was not a big issue to me if you accepted my offer or not. Water under the bridge and I was guessing you'd feel the same way. Life's too short. I gave you an offer that you would not come close to getting anywhere else. You didn't get back to me but rather went cuckoo in the forums and started all of this. Not cool.
Don't worry Scott. Your girlfriend's parents aren't going to ask you why people have been scalping tickets to the Fallsview $1K tournament and how that reflects on you as a person. Ridiculous.
In the poker world, there are many things that have varying degrees of morality. These things aren't black and white, it's a grey area. Some things you don't do. You don't cheat. You don't purposely tell someone you have $2200 behind when you have $800 when asked for your stack. Everyone would agree on these things. Have you ever got a good deal in a chop? That's not very moral now is it. Or is it? Are you above doing that? You're a fool if so. But that's my opinion. It's a grey area. Have you ever taken money at the poker tables from someone who has had too much to drink, Scott? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have. Some people who have different moral views would consider you a scumbag. Of course, they probably wouldn't go slandering you in a public forum over it, would they? Here's a moral conundrum: someone who makes money playing cards (preying on people who are worse at the game and/or have gambling problems) for a living has a problem with scalpers. I'm not judging. Just sayin'.
I find it interesting that you judge my character to be poor over THIS. I have paid out over 6 figures to different backers and have never stolen a cent in poker, nor a thing in my life (and never, ever will). (Confession, I did take a transformer off a kid's lawn in grade 3. It felt awful. I'm glad I got that off my chest). I have always been good to my word. Some of the biggest names in poker would happily attest to that. I judge your character to be poor because of you slandering my good name in these forums. It's just so easy on the Internet, isn't it?
I'm also disgusted that you bring up my real profession, as you continue your libelous behaviour. What that has to do with any of this, I'm unsure of. I work hard, teaching young people and doing a damned good job at it and you are using this against me in your arguments. Feel good? What exactly do you do for society, Scott, anti-scalping crusades aside.
As for breaking the law, I honestly wasn't even aware this was against the law. I wasn't aware of this because every time I go to a Blue Jays game, there are around 10-12 scalpers outside of the game selling tickets next to uniformed cops. Some laws take a higher precedent than others. Did you know that it's illegal for teenagers to walk down the street in Fort Qu'appelle with their shoes untied? Did you know that it's against the law to play a musical instrument in a park in Windsor? Have you ever broken the law? Oh, you haven't gone over 100 kph on the highway? OK. Guess you've never played underground either. I think you should read your image of the ticket speculation act very, very carefully. I noticed you've offered cash and services for a ticket, which I'm sure would be interpreted as illegal (y'know, if anyone actually gave a shit).
It will be very interesting to see if you play the Fallsview events. I feel it would be very hypocritical of you to. Fallsview is fine with people doing this. They allow people to buy multiple seats and sell them right at the tables in the room. Scalp them, if you will. Their main goal is to sell the tournament out. Debatable practice, at best. I would personally prefer it if they just sold 1 ticket each and checked ID at the tables. But they don't. They don't because they WANT this to happen. It puts more money in the pockets of regulars who will buy up the tickets and will gamble the money. It's very easy to figure this all out. They support reselling. You are deadset against it. You gonna play?
I have seen some interesting comparisons today. Poker tickets vs drugs might take the cake.
Regardless of which side anyone takes wrt the morality issue I would think that someone with a job as a teacher would refrain from this sort of thing due to the legality. Especially in public forums.
I assumed it was legal to resell tickets at inflated prices given what I see going-on on stubhub, etc. for UFC tickets and the like. However, you can be certain that I would research this extensively and not just make assumptions before trying to scalp tickets publicly if it could effect my career.
Edit: done posting in this thread.
First you are on Ryans side and now you are not? Who is it for you to say what a teacher should or should not do? You just dont know who you want to criticize do you? I guess it doesnt matter as long as you get a jab at everyone. Geesh...... C'mon man!!!!
Scotty has asked for this to be unlocked for him to post a final update. Please no one else post here as I will delete anything more.
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Part 1
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
After hearing Scott's arguments via PM and coming to an impasse, I told him our conversation is done. Since he's a hero sitting behind his Dell, he's decided to air this issue out in public again.
We both know I would have no problem saying this to you face to face.
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
Scott, you have an unhealthy obsession with regards to this topic. I don't know what happened to you in the past but you referenced in a post somewhere that the scalpers know who you are and threaten you when you walk by. Why is this? Ultimately, this is a non-issue and you've had a huge blowup over it. Why did you not have a problem when people posted the same things in the forums last year? Oh yeah, you probably had your tickets, right?
They threaten me when I walk by because Im onto their schemes and often educate unsuspecting Toronto visitors about how badly they are being ripped off as I enter the ACC. Many scalpers in Toronto work in teams where there are fake consumers 'bidding' on the tickets or acting interested to drive up the price when a fish is on the line. Its disgusting. Since Ive been to hundreds of events, I see them on a monthly basis and never hesitate to call them out on it.
Last year I believe I was losing tens of thousands in the Bahamas during the fallsview series (brilliant scheduling by those idiots!).
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
You need to get a grip. You hate scalpers because you go to every concert and sporting event around. In the big picture, life's sure pretty good when that's the case.
I do, I do, and it is.
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
You did NOT PM me an offer. That's incorrect. You asked me to tell you what I could do. I had no idea what to offer as I didn't foresee selling tickets to friends in the poker world who should already have them. It was not a big issue to me if you accepted my offer or not. Water under the bridge and I was guessing you'd feel the same way. Life's too short. I gave you an offer that you would not come close to getting anywhere else. You didn't get back to me but rather went cuckoo in the forums and started all of this. Not cool.
Sorry, I confused you with a couple other posters who I offered coaching / %s to ... obviously I wouldnt offer you coaching since you have an intimate knowledge of how I play after years of discussion ... thats a big reason why I was so shocked/angry to read you wanted $1k + 15% - I mistakenly thought I was being re-raised
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
Don't worry Scott. Your girlfriend's parents aren't going to ask you why people have been scalping tickets to the Fallsview $1K tournament and how that reflects on you as a person. Ridiculous.
The fact that I posted that is ridiculous and indicative of how this is a personal thing that frustrates me more than anything else. My last two ex-gfs parents were dual PhDs and a wealthy architect. Sadly not the types to welcome a dropout poker player with welcome arms, regardless of how well I treat his daughter.
Part 2
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
In the poker world, there are many things that have varying degrees of morality. These things aren't black and white, it's a grey area. Some things you don't do. You don't cheat. You don't purposely tell someone you have $2200 behind when you have $800 when asked for your stack. Everyone would agree on these things. Have you ever got a good deal in a chop? That's not very moral now is it. Or is it? Are you above doing that? You're a fool if so. But that's my opinion. It's a grey area. Have you ever taken money at the poker tables from someone who has had too much to drink, Scott? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you have. Some people who have different moral views would consider you a scumbag. Of course, they probably wouldn't go slandering you in a public forum over it, would they? Here's a moral conundrum: someone who makes money playing cards (preying on people who are worse at the game and/or have gambling problems) for a living has a problem with scalpers. I'm not judging. Just sayin'.
We are all entitled to our opinions. When I get the best of a chop or punish a drunk idiot, thats what Im at the tables to do. I understand that you bought these tickets to make the max $, and thats your call. Clearly I dont agree with that choice and it made me go a little nuts. Sorry for the things I said that were out of line.
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
I find it interesting that you judge my character to be poor over THIS. I have paid out over 6 figures to different backers and have never stolen a cent in poker, nor a thing in my life (and never, ever will). (Confession, I did take a transformer off a kid's lawn in grade 3. It felt awful. I'm glad I got that off my chest). I have always been good to my word. Some of the biggest names in poker would happily attest to that. I judge your character to be poor because of you slandering my good name in these forums. It's just so easy on the Internet, isn't it?
I think you're a good guy whos made a poor choice. As I said it just reflects poorly on me when other players who know Ive spoke highly of you are learning of you scalping these tix. That was a big contributing factor to my passionate reaction.
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
I'm also disgusted that you bring up my real profession, as you continue your libelous behaviour. What that has to do with any of this, I'm unsure of. I work hard, teaching young people and doing a damned good job at it and you are using this against me in your arguments. Feel good? What exactly do you do for society, Scott, anti-scalping crusades aside.
I regret doing that, and it was due to my steamed state. Sorry.
I contribute very little to society, and believe it or not I feel guilty about this sometimes. As a direct result of that guilt, plans are in the works for me to host a charity poker series in Toronto. The first tournament is going to be held at Yonge/Dundas and will send underprivileged kids to summer camp.
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
As for breaking the law, I honestly wasn't even aware this was against the law. I wasn't aware of this because every time I go to a Blue Jays game, there are around 10-12 scalpers outside of the game selling tickets next to uniformed cops. Some laws take a higher precedent than others. Did you know that it's illegal for teenagers to walk down the street in Fort Qu'appelle with their shoes untied? Did you know that it's against the law to play a musical instrument in a park in Windsor? Have you ever broken the law? Oh, you haven't gone over 100 kph on the highway? OK. Guess you've never played underground either. I think you should read your image of the ticket speculation act very, very carefully. I noticed you've offered cash and services for a ticket, which I'm sure would be interpreted as illegal (y'know, if anyone actually gave a shit).
Its truly unfortunate that it isnt enforced, and obviously a sore spot for me since live events are a passion of mine. The idiot mayor of our city wants to fight graffitti, when the scumbag scalpers run around consequence free at EVERY event. The same ugly thugs eat up the supply for Feist tickets all the way to UFC and everything in between. This inflates ticket prices and makes life difficult for me. Its a far bigger problem than grafitti IMO but thats a discussion for a Toronto politics thread
I have broken laws worse than speeding. Im breaking one right now as I smoke a joint writing this!
If scalping these for profit being against the law changes your mind, I probably know a few gents who would relive you of these tickets at face value!
Part 3
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Originally Posted by ryanghall
It will be very interesting to see if you play the Fallsview events. I feel it would be very hypocritical of you to. Fallsview is fine with people doing this. They allow people to buy multiple seats and sell them right at the tables in the room. Scalp them, if you will. Their main goal is to sell the tournament out. Debatable practice, at best. I would personally prefer it if they just sold 1 ticket each and checked ID at the tables. But they don't. They don't because they WANT this to happen. It puts more money in the pockets of regulars who will buy up the tickets and will gamble the money. It's very easy to figure this all out. They support reselling. You are deadset against it. You gonna play?
I highly doubt I'll play now, which is a shame because I was really looking forward to them. I've never won a live tournament and its hard to imagine I would have a better shot than this one considering the field size and skill level of the other events I play.
This whole ordeal has kind of taken the wind out of my sails, I wont pay what most are asking and I doubt Ill look hard enough for a seat at face value to get one. Sucks.
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I have seen some interesting comparisons today. Poker tickets vs drugs might take the cake.
In my drug addled state, we can agree on the cake being taken.
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I was also going to point out the lol nature of being afraid of what your gfs parents would think of your chosen profession in reference to tickets being scalped at FV
Im not afraid, its just an unfortunate position to be in when EVERYTHING else is amazing about poker. The ridiculous questions I get asked, reactions to my answers, and prejudgements I face have made me SO sick of it.
Most fathers want the cookie-cutter familiar, soulless, unhappy corporate drone for their daughters than an independent and entrepreneurial poker player. It gets tilting after awhile, and Im embarrassed to have taken that personal tilt into this issue.
Obviously this has snowballed into something huge, and Im not going to pretend the two biggest issues are anything other than:
- Fallsviews stupid policys
- My monkeytilt relating to everything above combined with the crucial misunderstanding that I 'Ryan reraised me'
Just finished a long session where I had a 7th, two 10ths, 11th, and a 14th and the fact that Im on a pokerforum after that depresses the fuck out of me. Its great that this is being locked.
In my years of experience chatting with and hanging out with Ryan, he's been a great and generous guy. We've agreed to disagree