How Would You Play This...
PokerStars Game #70569496430: Tournament #547010961, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVI (1600/3200) - 2011/11/15 1:17:37 ET
Table '547010961 118' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: mrd99 (105213 in chips)
Seat 2: netorist (95678 in chips)
Seat 3: camila198 (191791 in chips)
Seat 4: MCflip73 (98128 in chips)
Seat 5: theblefe171 (88410 in chips)
Seat 6: Macflyy69 (18890 in chips)
Seat 7: dodo-chang (127739 in chips)
Seat 9: isazapoker08 (42431 in chips)
mrd99: posts the ante 400
netorist: posts the ante 400
camila198: posts the ante 400
MCflip73: posts the ante 400
theblefe171: posts the ante 400
Macflyy69: posts the ante 400
dodo-chang: posts the ante 400
isazapoker08: posts the ante 400
camila198: posts small blind 1600
MCflip73: posts big blind 3200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MCflip73 [Qh As]
theblefe171: folds
Macflyy69: folds
dodo-chang: folds
isazapoker08: folds
mrd99: raises 6400 to 9600
netorist: folds
camila198: folds
MCflip73: ???
position - mrd99 is at the CO
opponent's table image - loose agressive
our table image - tight agressive
initial reads - two paint, weak ace or low-mid pp
Call/Raise/Fold?!?!? Reasoning?!?!?
Will post results but looking for suggestions on every street. Thx.
Table '547010961 118' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: mrd99 (105213 in chips)
Seat 2: netorist (95678 in chips)
Seat 3: camila198 (191791 in chips)
Seat 4: MCflip73 (98128 in chips)
Seat 5: theblefe171 (88410 in chips)
Seat 6: Macflyy69 (18890 in chips)
Seat 7: dodo-chang (127739 in chips)
Seat 9: isazapoker08 (42431 in chips)
mrd99: posts the ante 400
netorist: posts the ante 400
camila198: posts the ante 400
MCflip73: posts the ante 400
theblefe171: posts the ante 400
Macflyy69: posts the ante 400
dodo-chang: posts the ante 400
isazapoker08: posts the ante 400
camila198: posts small blind 1600
MCflip73: posts big blind 3200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MCflip73 [Qh As]
theblefe171: folds
Macflyy69: folds
dodo-chang: folds
isazapoker08: folds
mrd99: raises 6400 to 9600
netorist: folds
camila198: folds
MCflip73: ???
position - mrd99 is at the CO
opponent's table image - loose agressive
our table image - tight agressive
initial reads - two paint, weak ace or low-mid pp
Call/Raise/Fold?!?!? Reasoning?!?!?
Will post results but looking for suggestions on every street. Thx.
Comments
Personally, I don't fold pre.
I 3bet to $20k. If villain 4bets/jams, I am not liking life and would lean toward folding then. We still have over $70k remaining and still have some play in there. If villain calls the 3bet, we play from there knowing that there is 40k in the pot, and 70k back...so we will be committed with any bet.
IMO, this is either a raise or fold. A lot of this depends on villains steal rate and VPIP/raise numbers. If they have a high steal rate, then I 3bet 100% of the time. because villain is loose aggressive from description, I think we have to 3bet here. I am not fond of getting allin pre here as we are rarely winning (I can't see villain jamming AJ or worse here unless they are brutal), but if we raise I think that is the likely result.
My initial instinct here was to 3bet to abt 24k but there is that concern if villain decides to 4bet/jam, what is our move then?!?!? Tough Spot. Do we then fold seeing we could very well be dominated/crushed or call the all-in seeing the likelyhood that we are ahead of the villain's range might be good (i hope). Mucking the AQo never really crossed my mind but I am somewhat fascinated to see if folding should be considered here given the reads/scenario as well as being OOP with 30bb vs lag opponent.
Not certain if this was the right move but considering the field is down to less than 100 runners (out of 3300) with us sitting mid 30s in chip stack (avg being 110k), I decided to flat and re-evaluate the situation on the flop.
*** FLOP *** [Ac Qs Jd]
Hero is first to act. What's our move now?!?!?
Comments/Suggestions on the above. Thx in advance.
MC
Alot of people misunderstand 3betting...not that i have it perfect yet but of course we wouldn't 3bet and fold aq.....if our plan was to 3bet fold we would do it with junk or something that has no value flatting...
now that i see he is lag folding is silly and out of the question....you crush his range here when you take in account only 30bbs and the antes.....the only thing that scares me is its a 3x...if he 3xs always though then you can profitable jam here and if hes really bad alot of times thats best....
but either repoping to a size where we can jam any flop appropriately and call/get it in if he four bets pre
or
calling pre and calling all streets regardless of the board will show profit...because his range is weak and hes loose aggressive and will always bluff...
now we ignore the times when villain has us beat and simply check call all the way and jam the river if we think he can call and won't bluff his air on the river to use.....but usually they will so your prob check calling all the way......
c/r flop. If the flop goes cc, jam all blank turns.
At this point we want our stack to be going to the middle. If villain has 1010 or KJ here, we still have 4 outs and with this flop, all the chips were heading to the middle anyway.
Technically, we should only be concern of the villain flopping da nuts and sets here. However, if our initial reads are indeed accurate, villain most likely just hit botton two, top pair no kicker or he's hating the flop entirely with his underpair.
Regardless, we atleast expect a c-bet but I often wonder if leading out with top 2 would be a better option to consider than chk/raise or flat calling?!?!? Are we thinking perhaps this is a move for a much different situation?!?!? Given this scenario, we opted for the chk/raise instead...
MCflip73: checks
mrd99: bets 9600
MCflip73: raises 15400 to 25000
mrd99: calls 15400 ???
*** TURN *** [Ac Qs Jd] [Kd]
Ughhh...., Thoughts/Comments/Suggestions?!?!?
Thanx in advance.
MC
I would B/F the turn for 1/3 pot or ~22k. If villain jams over us here, they are never bluffing and we are way behind drawing to 2-4 outs.
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but once we cr the flop..we prob almost committed ourself....
i think i prefer to check call the flop tho..
bs, villain could be playing A2 here for all we know
but he has a2 then check calling is still prob the best idea....
At the time, I would only assume that the villain has connected with the flop in some way. If he had the goods, I was pretty certain I would have heard abt it. Thus, there is a good possibility that we are still ahead here. However, doubt starts to kick in and we are now considering jamming the turn providing it was blank. But generally, I'm thinking all is still good!!!
And then of course, the 'turn' card happened....
Ughhh, of all the cards in the deck it had to be that one. We have already committed over a 1/3 of our stack here and with this board vs lag opponent OOP, it is not what I would call an 'ideal situation'. Regardless of what we do on the turn, I am almost certain the villain will bet (if we chk) or raise/jam (if we lead out) so I'm debating what should we do now?!?!
We decide to check...
MCflip73: checks
mrd99: bets 19200
MCflip73::-\
Call/Raise/Fold?!?!?
Thoughts/Suggestions/Comments?!?!?
MC
we describe the villain as loose/aggresive.....
so we he opens pre he has a lot of hands in his range.....
you expect him to bet regardless if hits big or not
you nutted the flop...
you check
he bets almost his entire range....
you (check) raise
he folds all the time when he has air...and...
he folds a lot of the hands that you beat that will continue to bluff more on the turn....which he will because he is aggressive...
for the rest of the hand if you won't get all your chips in i think you should fold but if you will then i think you should check call.....that way times that he has it are balanced by the times that he bluffs off to you with hands you beat....
if you just hammer your nut hands into oppenents you don't gain enough value for the times when you are coolered...
and on top of that with an aggressive opponent...you are missing value by checking raising because he almost always folds and he almost always bluffs more money to you on the turn....
omg....who do i complain to if our mod was derailing threads...
:bs:
:-[ :-X
??? :-[
^ #occupy
Firstly, your last response was well said..., and as always, I appreciate the comments.
Secondly, I am in agreement with you on the above and so now a decision had to be made whether we go all the way or fold now. Hence, we tank here to re-evaluate action/play.
Eventually, I came to the conclusion that about the only thing that really beats me here is the villain possibly holding a 10 (ie. likelyhood being J10, Q10 or even A10). If he does, then so be it. Consider it 'variance' so we decide to flat all the way in the hopes we are good at show down...
MCflip73: checks
mrd99: bets 19200
MCflip73: calls 19200
*** RIVER *** [Ac Qs Jd Kd] [2c]
MCflip73: checks
mrd99: bets 38400
MCflip73: calls 38400
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mrd99: shows [Qd Th] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
MCflip73: mucks hand
mrd99 collected 189200 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 189200 | Rake 0
Board [Ac Qs Jd Kd 2c]
Seat 1: mrd99 showed [Qd Th] and won (189200) with a straight, Ten to Ace
Seat 2: netorist (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: camila198 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: MCflip73 (big blind) mucked [Qh As]
Seat 5: theblefe171 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Macflyy69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: dodo-chang folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: isazapoker08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Was eliminated from the tourny a couple of hands later at 96th.
Oh well, c'est la vie I guess...,:(
MC
Maybe, not completely sure. I dislike the flop checkraise by us but the motivation for betting again on the turn after checkraising is that he'll probably hero almost all of his range since he's bound to have something when he flats the checkraise
If you check you give him the option to check behind and if we then jam river I don't think we have many bluffs in our range. As I said, not sure which one is really better though
In regards to the rest of the hand; check/raise is good as played but the raise needs to be bigger, honestly with your stack size I jam.
Again as played when the K hits the turn I would bet to see where he is at, he would likely raise you decent here and I would fold it. If he flats check fold river, villain is only betting into you here with better than your 2 pair.
Prior to the flop there is about 24,000 in the pot. Villain cbets a 1/3rd pot (9,600) into this pot, making the pot 33,600. He cbet size being the same as his preflop bet IMO screams blocker bet/weakness.
You c/r 15,400 more, now the pot is 49,000. Villain is getting over 3 to 1 to call, so any drawing hand will have near the right odds.
IMO your problem wasn't your plan, but your bet sizing. If you c/r to like ~30k+ it makes it harder on villain to continue with their draw.
the only drawing hands are trips draw, two pair draw, and gutshot.....
Dry board? Aside from it being a rainbow, that board is pretty freaking wet, especially given an aggressive villains range.
Are we still stacking off if any K, J, 10, 9 or 8 hit on the turn? Personally, I'd rather get my chips in now with a c/r, vs giving villain odds to call and be hating life when 1/3 of the deck hits the turn.
Further, if OP is trying to get their stack in on the turn, he needs to bet more to make it a ~PSB shove.