Rake Consideration on River
During my final grind today I stumbled on an interesting hand. It was interesting because I took the time to check the river purely because if called the rake would go from 0 to .50 , thuse I was essentially betting $1 to win 50 cents.
I have to admit that this situation has not come up that often that I can remember, but I am wondering if those that play a LOT of low limit poker ever run into a situation where betting the river becomes a tougher choice because it would pass the rake threshhold.
Here is the hand
***** Hand History for Game 1494663547 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Jan 26 12:18:10 EST 2005
Table Table 13961 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: rplas ( $25)
Seat 2: dbhadd ( $16)
Seat 3: ROCKYV65 ( $27)
Seat 4: kboduch3 ( $29.5)
Seat 5: Rybuk ( $25.75)
Seat 6: ReloDir ( $16.75)
Seat 7: groxap05 ( $3.5)
Seat 8: ryan71982 ( $38.13)
Seat 9: Monteroy ( $55.25)
Seat 10: sir_Belfrage ( $15.5)
ryan71982 posts small blind (0.25)
Monteroy posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ 7s, As ]
sir_Belfrage folds.
dbhadd calls (0.5)
ROCKYV65 folds.
kboduch3 folds.
Rybuk folds.
groxap05 folds.
ryan71982 folds.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Ac, 3d ]
Monteroy bets (0.5)
dbhadd calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ]
Monteroy bets (1)
dbhadd calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
Monteroy checks.
dbhadd checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $4.25 | Rake: $0
Board: [ Qs Ac 3d Qd 2s ]
rplas balance $25, sits out
dbhadd balance $14, lost $2 [ Jd Kh ] [ a pair of queens -- Ac,Kh,Qs,Qd,Jd ]
ROCKYV65 balance $27, didn't bet (folded)
kboduch3 balance $29.5, didn't bet (folded)
Rybuk balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
ReloDir balance $16.75, sits out
groxap05 balance $3.5, didn't bet (folded)
ryan71982 balance $37.88, lost $0.25 (folded)
Monteroy balance $57.5, bet $2, collected $4.25, net +$2.25 [ 7s As ] [ two pairs, aces and queens -- As,Ac,Qs,Qd,7s ]
sir_Belfrage balance $15.5, didn't bet (folded)
As I was playing 4 tables I really did not have a "read" on this opponent so I had no idea if my top pair blah kicker was good, bad or a draw. I certainly would have called a river bet.
What do the heavy low limit players think? Silly to pass on betting due to the rake threshhold?
I have also read that Pacific poker actually collects rake on uncalled bets and I would have to believe that rake consideration has to be a factor in these types of choices there since you could bet $1 opponent folds and you lose 25 or 50 cents to the rake (not sure what they charge). Kind of amazes me that any site would have this (though their site does have by far the worst players to compensate for that). Pacific has no NL ring games and I can't imagine any working with that in place.
I have to admit that this situation has not come up that often that I can remember, but I am wondering if those that play a LOT of low limit poker ever run into a situation where betting the river becomes a tougher choice because it would pass the rake threshhold.
Here is the hand
***** Hand History for Game 1494663547 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Wed Jan 26 12:18:10 EST 2005
Table Table 13961 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: rplas ( $25)
Seat 2: dbhadd ( $16)
Seat 3: ROCKYV65 ( $27)
Seat 4: kboduch3 ( $29.5)
Seat 5: Rybuk ( $25.75)
Seat 6: ReloDir ( $16.75)
Seat 7: groxap05 ( $3.5)
Seat 8: ryan71982 ( $38.13)
Seat 9: Monteroy ( $55.25)
Seat 10: sir_Belfrage ( $15.5)
ryan71982 posts small blind (0.25)
Monteroy posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ 7s, As ]
sir_Belfrage folds.
dbhadd calls (0.5)
ROCKYV65 folds.
kboduch3 folds.
Rybuk folds.
groxap05 folds.
ryan71982 folds.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Qs, Ac, 3d ]
Monteroy bets (0.5)
dbhadd calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qd ]
Monteroy bets (1)
dbhadd calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2s ]
Monteroy checks.
dbhadd checks.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $4.25 | Rake: $0
Board: [ Qs Ac 3d Qd 2s ]
rplas balance $25, sits out
dbhadd balance $14, lost $2 [ Jd Kh ] [ a pair of queens -- Ac,Kh,Qs,Qd,Jd ]
ROCKYV65 balance $27, didn't bet (folded)
kboduch3 balance $29.5, didn't bet (folded)
Rybuk balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
ReloDir balance $16.75, sits out
groxap05 balance $3.5, didn't bet (folded)
ryan71982 balance $37.88, lost $0.25 (folded)
Monteroy balance $57.5, bet $2, collected $4.25, net +$2.25 [ 7s As ] [ two pairs, aces and queens -- As,Ac,Qs,Qd,7s ]
sir_Belfrage balance $15.5, didn't bet (folded)
As I was playing 4 tables I really did not have a "read" on this opponent so I had no idea if my top pair blah kicker was good, bad or a draw. I certainly would have called a river bet.
What do the heavy low limit players think? Silly to pass on betting due to the rake threshhold?
I have also read that Pacific poker actually collects rake on uncalled bets and I would have to believe that rake consideration has to be a factor in these types of choices there since you could bet $1 opponent folds and you lose 25 or 50 cents to the rake (not sure what they charge). Kind of amazes me that any site would have this (though their site does have by far the worst players to compensate for that). Pacific has no NL ring games and I can't imagine any working with that in place.
Comments
FYI, download their software again and they now have NL tables. Enjoy fishing.