help me get better in tournaments.

MackeMacke
in MTT Strategy
Seems lately I've been real good at being able to stick around for a bit in live tournaments of say 50-80 people or so around the 10th-15th range but I am having trouble really breaking through and making final table consistently.

I think it's finally time and maybe I'll read a poker book or something? Does Wetts have one out or anything? What book out there would be recommended?
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  • compueasecompuease Admin
    All of the Harrington books helped me when I was starting out. However my first question to you is, how many BB's do you typically have when you do go out? Think back over the last few and really think about it, be honest.
  • STR82ACESTR82ACE
    Macke wrote: »
    Does Wetts have one out or anything?

    Wetts' patented "GET THERE" method is not in print at this time. I'm sure he was planning on releasing it to the general masses, however, his asking price of $2500 for a single page of script in size 72 bold font seemed a bit excessive.

    HOH is a pretty good series actually, just make sure you get the tourney books and not the cash game series.
  • zunni74zunni74
    STR82ACE wrote: »
    Wetts' patented "GET THERE" method is not in print at this time. I'm sure he was planning on releasing it to the general masses, however, his asking price of $2500 for a single page of script in size 72 bold font seemed a bit excessive..

    I Lol'd.
  • UnknownUnknown
    do not miss Vekked beginer seminar series...and google unexploitable shove....


    also how are your pot odds and equity understandings?


    and not making it deep enough means you generally are not accumulated enough cEV. You are running out of gas. you gotta find more spots to make plays where you are likely to win more and lose less...
  • trigstrigs
    darbday wrote: »
    do not miss Vekked beginer seminar series...and google unexploitable shove....


    also how are your pot odds and equity understandings?


    and not making it deep enough means you generally are not accumulated enough cEV. You are running out of gas. you gotta find more spots to make plays where you are likely to win more and lose less...

    and get dealt pocket As more.
  • MackeMacke
    compuease wrote: »
    All of the Harrington books helped me when I was starting out. However my first question to you is, how many BB's do you typically have when you do go out? Think back over the last few and really think about it, be honest.

    hmm well on Monday I was playing one of those little early bird tourneys at the casino..

    Blinds had just went up up to 600/1200 when I pushed with around 7k with queen 10 suited...lost to pocket Jacks.

    One of those little 2k starting stacks... I finished 13th or so..but going into that hand I probably was 9th or so in chip stack =/ Top 5 get paid.
  • kwstevekwsteve
    trigs wrote: »
    and get dealt pocket As more.

    And it'll help if you start hitting more sets.
  • UnknownUnknown
    also post hands in the strategy section more!!!
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Macke wrote: »
    hmm well on Monday I was playing one of those little early bird tourneys at the casino..

    Blinds had just went up up to 600/1200 when I pushed with around 7k with queen 10 suited...lost to pocket Jacks.

    One of those little 2k starting stacks... I finished 13th or so..but going into that hand I probably was 9th or so in chip stack =/ Top 5 get paid.
    Well that's part of the problem.. Those super turbo tournaments are huge variance so you have to play a lot ie >100 before you will see your true results. Also you were down to 5bbs. I would never (well almost never) let myself get that low.
    darbday wrote: »
    also post hands in the strategy section more!!!
    +1 This for sure.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    STR82ACE wrote: »
    Wetts' patented "GET THERE" method is not in print at this time. I'm sure he was planning on releasing it to the general masses, however, his asking price of $2500 for a single page of script in size 72 bold font seemed a bit excessive.

    Oh sillies. "Get There" is a dated book. It is of no value now. It was conceived at a point in my career where I clearly dont have the knowledge I have now.

    My most recent edition "Play Bad, Run Good", is far more advanced.

    (Foreward: "Tinfoil Hats and Beating the RNG" by BlackmagicZ)
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    My most recent edition "Play Bad, Run Good", is far more advanced.
    Is there a version for me, "Play Bad, Run Bad"?
  • MackeMacke
    compuease wrote: »
    Well that's part of the problem.. Those super turbo tournaments are huge variance so you have to play a lot ie >100 before you will see your true results. Also you were down to 5bbs. I would never (well almost never) let myself get that low.
    +1 This for sure.

    Yeah I don't play those much... at all actually I think that was my first one I played. I know I was down in BBs but I was around chip average pretty close I'd feel.. I keep remembering "in order to survive you must be willing to die" now if only I could practice that >_>

    But what book would you recommend? Then again I am of the younger generation..maybe a Youtube video or two to start off with?
  • MiloMilo
    compuease wrote: »
    Is there a version for me, "Play Bad, Run Bad"?

    That's mine, due out in October . . . I'll even autograph it for ya . . .
  • MackeMacke
    Milo wrote: »
    That's mine, due out in October . . . I'll even autograph it for ya . . .
    for 15 bucks?
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Macke wrote: »
    Yeah I don't play those much... at all actually I think that was my first one I played. I know I was down in BBs but I was around chip average pretty close I'd feel.. I keep remembering "in order to survive you must be willing to die" now if only I could practice that >_>

    But what book would you recommend? Then again I am of the younger generation..maybe a Youtube video or two to start off with?
    You can't possibly make an informed decision from 1 tournament. Chip avg really only applies to me during the mid stages, ie don't want to fall much below 1/2 chip avg. Later, every decision becomes situational.
    As for books, Harringtons 3 tournament volumes are good. I know they are 3-4 years old but read them, digest them and adapt the thoughts and processes to your style. There is no "perfect" book or "way" to play. No matter what everyone says, running good is imperative to positive results. Without that even "perfect" play won't help.
  • UnknownUnknown
    compuease wrote: »
    No matter what everyone says, running good is imperative to positive results. Without that even "perfect" play won't help.
    not ....over... proper ...sample...size....:mad:


    was one of the first vids i watched....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnoGXf4WyfU
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    darbday wrote: »
    not ....over... proper ...sample...size....:mad:

    Sorry but op has nowhere near enough sample size. I say it again, even if one plays perfect strategy but is running bad, he won't win... Do you have any idea what a big enough sample size means?
  • MackeMacke
    hmm
  • UnknownUnknown
    compuease wrote: »
    Sorry but op has nowhere near enough sample size. I say it again, even if one plays perfect strategy but is running bad, he won't win... Do you have any idea what a big enough sample size means?
    yes i do ....but you said running good is imperitive to positive results.... over a large sample size i don't think thats true at all....in fact the larger the sample size the less 'run good' matters......but i just think its important to squish that thought when dealing with a novice inquirer.....meaning if your not winning its because you are not good enough....which maybe we could argue over but its important to emphasize to novice players....


    i also know what unexploitable shoves are.... :mad:
  • UnknownUnknown
    Macke wrote: »
    hmm
    wtf?
  • Hellmuth's MoleHellmuth's Mole
    darbday wrote: »
    yes i do ....but you said running good is imperitive to positive results.... over a large sample size i don't think thats true at all....in fact the larger the sample size the less 'run good' matters......but i just think its important to squish that thought when dealing with a novice inquirer.....meaning if your not winning its because you are not good enough....which maybe we could argue over but its important to emphasize to novice players....


    i also know what unexploitable shoves are.... :mad:

    I think you 2 are arguing the same point.

    5 turbos of perfect poker playing could leave thinking you're Phil Ivey (or better yet philli), or Mike Matusow, or most likely somewhere in between.

    5000 turbos of perfect poker should have you marginally ahead of the game.......degrees of rungood and even more importantly "timing" of said rungood, is ultimately what makes the big success stories. No offense to Vekked, Wetts and Pudge obv.
  • blackmagiczblackmagicz
    The tournament books by Rizen and Pearl Jammer are a good start. Also Jonathan Little just released a book as well.

    Both should get you on your way. But as I have learned from speaking to many different people, once you have a basic strategy you will find volume plays key into pulling in money.
  • magsmags
    Harrington on Hold em 1, 2 and 3 are excellent books and helped improve my game.
    The 3rd book is a poker exam of sorts. You are given different situations and cards then quizzed on what you would do and then assigned a score based on your answers.
  • UnknownUnknown
    blackmagicz wrote: »
    The tournament books by Rizen and Pearl Jammer are a good start.
    i picked this up a couple weeks ago. ive actually been secretly choked at everyone and this forum for not mentioning it to me a year or two ago...:mad:
  • DennisGDennisG
    darbday wrote: »
    i picked this up a couple weeks ago. ive actually been secretly choked at everyone and this forum for not mentioning it to me a year or two ago...:mad:

    Hey....I told you a few months ago...that's close...
  • UnknownUnknown
    DennisG wrote: »
    Hey....I told you a few months ago...that's close...
    hmm...dont' remember it...picked up aejones memoires tho ^-^
  • DennisGDennisG
    darbday wrote: »
    hmm...dont' remember it...picked up aejones memoires tho ^-^

    We talked about it on the way home from Edmonton..damn smot pokers.
  • UnknownUnknown
    DennisG wrote: »
    We talked about it on the way home from Edmonton..damn smot pokers.
    damn...^-^
  • trigstrigs
    blackmagicz wrote: »
    The tournament books by Rizen and Pearl Jammer are a good start.

    where can you get these? i'm interested.
  • UnknownUnknown
    trigs wrote: »
    where can you get these? i'm interested.
    torrent....do do do....nutin to see hear mods....

    make sure to pay for the book once your making millions...

    also im reading raisers edge...picked it up off amazon tho...ebook 10 bux i think....
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