10/20 Mid set, wet turn vs a Good Lag.

ReefAquariumReefAquarium
in No Limit / Pot Limit Holdem
Live 10/20.

UTG is a good lag, Limps for 20
3 more limpers and I overlimp with 77,

Flop comes 975 2 spades.

UTG LAG bets 75, 2 callers,

Normally I would raise to about 400, but I think I have a very nitty image, so I raise small to 275, Only the UTG LAG raiser calls.

Turn 8 spades...

Yuck it hit every draw.

Now there is 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush on board.

LAG checks,

I ???

Comments

  • JohnnieHJohnnieH
    Check for pot control and hope you boat up?
  • getem76getem76
    I agree with johnnie, LAG is going for the raise to all-in....just hope you fill up
  • UnknownUnknown
    how does a good lag open limp pre ???
  • blackmagiczblackmagicz
    I guess the issue here is if you raise the flop are you ready to put more in on the turn. In this instance I may just call because of how wet the board is. My hand doesn't play well multiway here with lags unless I fill up. You also have the chance to bluff a lot of turn cards by not raising the flop. Then by smashing the turn you can see who actually has a hand instead of now "guessing" and because you made a move on the flop.

    Basically you can't rep a flush or straight in this instance the way you played the hand pre flop so checking is your only option on the turn. If you had 2 spades or suited connectors I would have tended to smash the flop like you did so you could lead out on the turn and get check raised etc....
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    darbday wrote: »
    how does a good lag open limp pre ???

    I would guess this is live?
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    compuease wrote: »
    I would guess this is live?

    Yes this is live.
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    blackmagicz wrote: »
    I guess the issue here is if you raise the flop are you ready to put more in on the turn. In this instance I may just call because of how wet the board is. My hand doesn't play well multiway here with lags unless I fill up. You also have the chance to bluff a lot of turn cards by not raising the flop. Then by smashing the turn you can see who actually has a hand instead of now "guessing" and because you made a move on the flop.

    Basically you can't rep a flush or straight in this instance the way you played the hand pre flop so checking is your only option on the turn. If you had 2 spades or suited connectors I would have tended to smash the flop like you did so you could lead out on the turn and get check raised etc....

    Interesting ...

    I never considered checking such a wet board with 3 other people in the pot.

    I put both of the callers on draws...
  • UnknownUnknown
    compuease wrote: »
    I would guess this is live?
    in most case you are correct to remind my thats its live play but here the definition of good lag is going to imply he doesn't ever limp utg....
  • UnknownUnknown
    blackmagicz wrote: »
    . In this instance I may just call because of how wet the board is.
    would this be the exact reason we raise for value?
    blackmagicz wrote: »
    My hand doesn't play well multiway here with lags unless I fill up. .
    a set? on a wet board doesn't play well?

    blackmagicz wrote: »
    You also have the chance to bluff a lot of turn cards by not raising the flop. Then by smashing the turn you can see who actually has a hand instead of now "guessing" and because you made a move on the flop.
    turning a set into a bluff?

    blackmagicz wrote: »

    Basically you can't rep a flush or straight in this instance the way you played the hand pre flop so checking is your only option on the turn. If you had 2 spades or suited connectors I would have tended to smash the flop like you did so you could lead out on the turn and get check raised etc....
    getting it in behind?
  • UnknownUnknown
    isn't this just a standard pot the flop jam any turn?
  • blackmagiczblackmagicz
    To further clarify LAGs are never folding a draw in these positions and if I am going to make a smallish bet on the flop its just as good as a check. The bet sizing in this hand is a little iffy if you are looking to take away the odds for LAGs to call on their draws incorrectly.

    The turn just completes everything you thought they were looking to hit on the flop...so really you have technically just dumped 275 with no chance of getting that back unless you fill on the river because there is no way you can call any bets on the river in position.
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    darbday wrote: »
    in most case you are correct to remind my thats its live play but here the definition of good lag is going to imply he doesn't ever limp utg....


    you really believe that? ever is a long time...
  • UnknownUnknown
    compuease wrote: »
    you really believe that? ever is a long time...
    i know i know..but i was hoping implies was a soft one...:)

    maybe i could say generaly implies..
  • Richard~Richard~
    This sounds a lot like another crappy loose passive player then. I don't see any stack sizes
  • LuuLuu
    And what was the outcome Reef?
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    ReefAquarium wrote: »
    Live 10/20.

    UTG is a good lag, Limps for 20
    3 more limpers and I overlimp with 77,

    Flop comes 975 2 spades.

    UTG LAG bets 75, 2 callers,

    Normally I would raise to about 400, but I think I have a very nitty image, so I raise small to 275, Only the UTG LAG raiser calls.

    Turn 8 spades...

    Yuck it hit every draw.

    Now there is 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush on board.

    LAG checks,

    I ???
    Luu wrote: »
    And what was the outcome Reef?

    $805 or so in the pot,

    I'm highly suspicious of the lag Limping UTG ($6K back). This is the first limp UTG I've seen by him.

    I'm short stacked $2k.

    I check the turn,

    River Kh

    Lag makes a tiny $250 bet...

    What do you do?
  • ReefAquariumReefAquarium
    darbday wrote: »
    how does a good lag open limp pre ???

    Good point, I'm wondering the same...
  • LuuLuu
    With a check on the Turn and smallish best of 1/4 of the pot - I am thinking that he does not have a made flush or straight even though he limped UTG.

    Having said that I would call and show the set - unsure if I would raise and have a LAG re-raise me and put me in a tough spot. If you were to re-raise, what would you raise to? Pot size?
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    REEEEKS of a made hand...
    IF you think LAG is good, then I'd SAY fold, but I would definetely call and call him a suck out donkey when he shows me a flush/straight.
    A lot of LAGs like to make a small blocking bet here with 2pair though.
    I wouldn't be surprised at all if he shows up with 98o here a lot....
    Which is why I call.
  • UnknownUnknown
    check and bink... I really dont see any hands he call here with. I hate bet folding here coz you have good equity and could very well be ahead. If you bet, you should have the intention of calling if raised.
  • CerberusCerberus
    moveslikejagger wrote: »
    check and bink... I really dont see any hands he call here with. I hate bet folding here coz you have good equity and could very well be ahead. If you bet, you should have the intention of calling if raised.

    Can't check. Opp bet. It's fold, call or raise. Personally, I go with the call and curse method.
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    I call.

    We only have to be right here 1 in 5 times to make this EV neutral. Given the amount of bluffs in lags range, I think we have to call.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Cerberus wrote: »
    Can't check. Opp bet. It's fold, call or raise. Personally, I go with the call and curse method.

    Yuck it hit every draw.

    Now there is 4 to a straight and 3 to a flush on board.

    LAG checks,

    my bad.. I only read the first part and that was his initial question.. .what to do on turn
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