The Angle Thread
Ive seen a bunch - but this is disgusting. (ff to about 7 minutes)
European Poker Tour 2011 Season 7 Grand Final Madrid 3/4 - YouTube
European Poker Tour 2011 Season 7 Grand Final Madrid 3/4 - YouTube
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Sickest part of it all though is that the bastard won the tourney.
Yes, that was clumsy and pathetic.
Villain did not break any rules.
Yes, I guess you are technically correct. He was held to his first verbal action. Period. One would think with a pattern of these transgressions, a penalty would be worthy.
Playing cash at the GN maybe 4 years ago. I'm in the 9 seat, op is in the 1 so I can't easily see him. I call down this guys bet on the river, think I had top top and he announces straight and tables his hand. I didn't even look, just mucked. He had nothing, knew it and laughed... Dealer just said protect your hand. Man was I pissed. If I had been a few years younger (and had my colt 45), there might have been an incident. I sure learned from it though...
Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play . . . according to the TD he had done this a few times previously in the tourney, so it is an obvious attempt to influence play, imo.
Management reserves the right to make decisions in the spirit of fairness, even if a strict interpretation of the rules may indicate a different ruling . . .
this would seem to be the TD's get out of jail free card in terms of dealing with this prick.
This is all before you even get to specific tourney rules and regs . . . that prick should have been sitting out for a while, if he was even allowed to take that stunt as far as he did.
i will use this next cash game.. lol
But I think there were two ppl in on it. I didn't go back there
Mark
as you shouldn't have :P It's funny how he kinda shot himself in the foot here, KQ might have called a normal sized raise just a he said here
I guess it takes all kinds of people, but it is carnival-guys like this player who ruin poker for the rest of us.
"If the TD *knew* he was shooting an angle, he should have honored the 'no-speak-English' bullch*t and ruled it a call. Then after he flips his hand over, give him a one round penalty for checking the nuts. "
While I agree with the sentiments, it wasn't the nuts... best hand, but not the nuts...
Factor in how deep you are in the tournament, the texture of the board....I muck face up and ask for the hand to be exposed and angle shoot myself to the TD. I am pretty sure if you kicked up a big enough stink on National Television the TD would have exposed the hand and it would have incited a riot lol.
1. No way am I playing against a guy who does that legitimately
2. No way am I having the TD tell me what he is doing without showing me after the fact
3. I expect a penalty to be issued so I will kick, scream, and cry and basically whine to the other players until something is done
Putting on Oscar performances after an angle/rule violation is my specialty in tournaments.
saw a guy at the CNE last year pull two shit head moves and I called him out on both of them at the table and make him such a spectacle he left.
1st, action passes him and he watches as everyone behind him checks, the blinds get ready to chop and he says "I still have cards and I raise", blinds fold and away goes the blinds to dipshit. He watched it the whole way and knew action had passed him.
2nd, river comes, SB bets, dipshit pushes his hand towards the muck on a board with 3 spades on it and then says he needed to check his cards again, pickes them up and exposes the ace of spades to the whole table with a bit of a pathetic flourish and then raises. SB tanks, I know dipshit doesn't have it so I pull another move that is probably out of bounds of more than one rule and tell SB that if he calls and loses I'll pay him the called bet. (I'm out of the hand preflop) I called dipshit's hand as ACE rag offsuite. Of course dipshit doesn't have it and SB's top pair crap kicker holds. dipshit left shortly there after.
Any mistake or something he says/skips whatever, its all binding all the time, its actually funny when the frustration is reversed when I just keep saying "oh, he said that, thats what he does!"
I think the problem is you really can't have rules that are just for a single player. You modify rules as a whole for all participants in the game (see the 'Hevad Khan' rule generated at the WSOP a couple of years back, or the 'Jamie Gold' rule, these are rules that were generated because of the actions of one player, but applied to all players.).
Especially difficult because he is one who might make the same play in a legit way because English is not his native language.
He's angling in a way that's not against the current rules and to be honest the TD did a good job of informing the other player that this has happened before. Some people might argue that oversteps his bounds.
He did expose the hand and no riot ensued. All that happened is the guy who called the bet lost another 275K in chips.
Yup, if Doyle or Hoyt Corkins were at the table I think there might have been blood.
In the grand scheme of angles, this is a baby angle ESPECIALLY with the TD calling it out.
It is a part of the game of poker to lie about your hand, or to try to enduce calls when you want them and folds when you don't. That's a standard part of the game. And yes I understand why this is slightly different.
However, what if the guy had KJ and had honestly meant call, is it any fairer that it's ruled a raise because the player got confused? Now he's got chips stuck out there that he didn't mean to put out. It's a tough spot from both sides.
My favourite is the re-angle off this angle. So the guy with the K shoves believing the original player didn't realize his mistake and tries to capitalize by forcing the original player to fold his 'calling holdings' and having his 'raise' being stuck in the pot.
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Well I was saying if that happened to me....
oh and btw welcome back
Of course, everyone gets upset when an angle is shot at them. That's part of the reason why they are so frowned upon, they prey upon players lack of understanding of the technical aspects of rules. That's why I was impressed at the amount of poise the player who got angle-shot kept.
Thanks for the welcome back
Understandable but like I said I want to be a jackass on TV