One of the New Trends in Online Poker
Bonus grinding. Doing some internet searches I was a bit surprised (though also not) to see there are even websites completely devoted to ginding out bonuses at many sites, with multiple accounts playing low limit multi tables.
I have not read the book based on low limit that many speak well of here, however I am wondering how much of the concepts of that book can be brought into the growing world of online poker bonus grind style of play. Typically 4+ tables are being played at the same time so it is very hard to get a feel of any of the other players or the table. Being tricky is distracting, just bet with the good hands and fold when you don;t have a good hand. Trying to outplay anyone is pointless, with the point being that the money you may give up playing a simpler game is eventually offset by the bonus.
The bonus grind style of play is kind of fun once in a while, something I equate to speed chess. I probably do about 4-5 grind sessions a week (about an hour each) and I find it to be a nice change from my much slower, patient NL game in sit and gos and tournaments.
I do think this bonus grinding style of play will continue to grow and it will be very interesting to see if any books try to incorporate it into their lessons on poker.
I just completed a grind session. It had a few more bad beats/suckouts then normal and a couple of tricky hands where I probably should have let them go but did not. Still, it also had nice people calling all the way when I had a good hand and even with the much higher bad beat content I ended up even (my last 4 grind sessions all were 10-40 profit ones).
A total of 256 hands were played on 4 tables of Party, and of them 165 were raked which equated to a prorated bonus of around $25 or so (currently need 1400 for the 200 reload bonus).
This may also show to some extent what life in the low limit Party poker scene is and I hope people enjoy. I will likely have to use 2-3 posts to include all of the hands (due tothe 10,000 character limit) and comments on any of the hands are welcome as always. Enjoy
***** Hand History for Game 1485665238 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:34:09 EST 2005
Table Table 15687 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ethanra ( $23.5)
Seat 2: meatflowers ( $25)
Seat 3: AYLAdMamutoi ( $24.5)
Seat 4: Monteroy ( $45.25)
Seat 5: Obisponator ( $49.25)
Seat 6: BigMoe45 ( $3.25)
Seat 7: waywarda ( $26.62)
Seat 8: tr1919 ( $19)
Seat 9: Ibusol ( $37.75)
Seat 10: frigginsweet ( $5.5)
tr1919 posts small blind (0.25)
Ibusol posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Kh, Ac ]
frigginsweet calls (0.5)
ethanra folds.
AYLAdMamutoi folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
Obisponator folds.
BigMoe45 calls (1)
waywarda folds.
tr1919 calls (0.75)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
frigginsweet calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Ad, 7c ]
tr1919 bets (0.5)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
frigginsweet folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
BigMoe45 folds.
tr1919 calls (0.5)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
tr1919 checks.
Ibusol checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
tr1919 folds.
Ibusol calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
Ibusol checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
Ibusol calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11.25 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ Th Ad 7c 5d 9c ]
ethanra balance $23.5, didn't bet (folded)
meatflowers balance $25, sits out
AYLAdMamutoi balance $24.5, didn't bet (folded)
Monteroy balance $52.5, bet $4, collected $11.25, net +$7.25 [ Kh Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ad,Kh,Th,9c ]
Obisponator balance $49.25, didn't bet (folded)
BigMoe45 balance $2.25, lost $1 (folded)
waywarda balance $26.62, didn't bet (folded)
tr1919 balance $17, lost $2 (folded)
Ibusol balance $33.75, lost $4 [ 8s 8c ] [ a pair of eights -- Ad,Th,9c,8s,8c ]
frigginsweet balance $4.5, lost $1 (folded)
Ah, nothing beats a pocket pair with 2 overcards (3 by the river) ever. Always appreciate the call down to keep me honest.
***** Hand History for Game 1485690770 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:40:19 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $45)
Seat 2: viagrajunkie ( $16)
Seat 3: DakotaEast17 ( $10.75)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $57.63)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $26.24)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $27.75)
Seat 7: goterps ( $19.5)
Seat 8: gymji ( $7)
Seat 9: DECostin ( $24.5)
Seat 10: chaveznd ( $26.75)
DakotaEast17 posts small blind (0.25)
frankththank posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ As, Tc ]
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
germ80 calls (0.5)
goterps folds.
gymji folds.
DECostin folds.
chaveznd folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
viagrajunkie raises (1) to 1
DakotaEast17 folds.
frankththank calls (0.5)
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
germ80 folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, 8s, Ac ]
frankththank checks.
Birk21883 checks.
Monteroy checks.
viagrajunkie bets (0.5)
frankththank folds.
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
Birk21883 bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
viagrajunkie raises (2) to 2
Birk21883 calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
Birk21883 checks.
Monteroy checks.
viagrajunkie bets (1)
Birk21883 calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $14.5 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ Jd 8s Ac Qs 2d ]
Monteroy balance $55, bet $4.5, collected $14.5, net +$10 [ As Tc ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ac,Qs,Jd,Tc ]
viagrajunkie balance $11.5, lost $4.5 [ Js Kc ] [ a pair of jacks -- Ac,Kc,Qs,Js,Jd ]
DakotaEast17 balance $10.5, lost $0.25 (folded)
frankththank balance $56.63, lost $1 (folded)
Birk21883 balance $21.74, lost $4.5 [ 8h Ks ] [ a pair of eights -- Ac,Ks,Qs,8h,8s ]
If I was playing a higher limit serious game with better players I suspect I would have been out of this hand at some point. Maybe I should have folded at some point, but people bet and raise with the strangest hands at low limit so at times it is good just to call down with a solid hand and hope. This time it worked.
***** Hand History for Game 1485723115 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:48:03 EST 2005
Seat 1: court99 ( $39.71)
Seat 2: howefam ( $20.96)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25.5)
Seat 4: SunshineX ( $19.47)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $48.75)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $44.75)
Seat 7: Thomas1020 ( $17)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $4.98)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $15.75)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $16.5)
Bemma posts small blind (0.25)
Monteroy posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Th, 2s ]
Thomas1020 calls (0.5)
ghanja calls (0.5)
HarryReems calls (0.5)
cerilloin folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
howefam calls (0.5)
aga3ms folds.
SunshineX folds.
Bemma folds.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, Ah, 2h ]
Monteroy checks.
Thomas1020 checks.
ghanja checks.
HarryReems checks.
court99 checks.
howefam checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
Monteroy bets (1)
Thomas1020 folds.
ghanja calls (1)
HarryReems folds.
court99 folds.
howefam folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
Monteroy bets (1)
ghanja calls (1)
** Summary **
SunshineX balance $19.47, didn't bet (folded)
Bemma balance $48.5, lost $0.25 (folded)
Monteroy balance $49, bet $2.5, collected $6.75, net +$4.25 [ Th 2s ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Ah,Th,2s,2h,2c ]
Thomas1020 balance $16.5, lost $0.5 (folded)
ghanja balance $2.48, lost $2.5 [ As Ts ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- As,Ah,Ts,2h,2c ]
I love people that slow play the flop with an ok but hardly overpowering hand. They always pay nicely if that free card helps you out. Think I may have folded on a flop bet? Bet he wished he bet his top pair after.
***** Hand History for Game 1485730931 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:49:56 EST 2005
Table Table 32450 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: court99 ( $38.21)
Seat 2: howefam ( $17.96)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25)
Seat 4: SunshineX ( $23.72)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $48.5)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $48.75)
Seat 7: Thomas1020 ( $16)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $2.48)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $15.25)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $16.5)
Thomas1020 posts small blind (0.25)
ghanja posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Kh, Js ]
HarryReems calls (0.5)
cerilloin folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
howefam folds.
aga3ms folds.
SunshineX folds.
Bemma calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
Thomas1020 folds.
ghanja checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 4c, 4d ]
ghanja checks.
HarryReems checks.
court99 checks.
Bemma checks.
Monteroy bets (0.5)
ghanja folds.
HarryReems folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
Bemma folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
court99 checks.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Qc ]
court99 bets (1)
Monteroy raises (2) to 2
court99 raises (2) to 3
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9.25 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ Jh 4c 4d Jd Qc ]
court99 balance $38.84, bet $4, collected $4.63, net +$0.63 [ Tc Jc ] [ a full house, Jacks full of fours -- Jc,Jh,Jd,4c,4d ]
howefam balance $17.96, didn't bet (folded)
aga3ms balance $25, didn't bet (folded)
SunshineX balance $23.72, didn't bet (folded)
Bemma balance $48, lost $0.5 (folded)
Monteroy balance $49.37, bet $4, collected $4.62, net +$0.62 [ Kh Js ] [ a full house, Jacks full of fours -- Js,Jh,Jd,4c,4d ]
OK, I lied when I said I never play tricky. My checking the turn here represented the total amount of tricky play I did in the hour. My hope was if he did not have a jack that he might call a bet on the river if his hand improved some. I was hoping he had a Q when I raised. His reraise made it obvious he had a jack and I just called figuring the house made enough from us already.
I have not read the book based on low limit that many speak well of here, however I am wondering how much of the concepts of that book can be brought into the growing world of online poker bonus grind style of play. Typically 4+ tables are being played at the same time so it is very hard to get a feel of any of the other players or the table. Being tricky is distracting, just bet with the good hands and fold when you don;t have a good hand. Trying to outplay anyone is pointless, with the point being that the money you may give up playing a simpler game is eventually offset by the bonus.
The bonus grind style of play is kind of fun once in a while, something I equate to speed chess. I probably do about 4-5 grind sessions a week (about an hour each) and I find it to be a nice change from my much slower, patient NL game in sit and gos and tournaments.
I do think this bonus grinding style of play will continue to grow and it will be very interesting to see if any books try to incorporate it into their lessons on poker.
I just completed a grind session. It had a few more bad beats/suckouts then normal and a couple of tricky hands where I probably should have let them go but did not. Still, it also had nice people calling all the way when I had a good hand and even with the much higher bad beat content I ended up even (my last 4 grind sessions all were 10-40 profit ones).
A total of 256 hands were played on 4 tables of Party, and of them 165 were raked which equated to a prorated bonus of around $25 or so (currently need 1400 for the 200 reload bonus).
This may also show to some extent what life in the low limit Party poker scene is and I hope people enjoy. I will likely have to use 2-3 posts to include all of the hands (due tothe 10,000 character limit) and comments on any of the hands are welcome as always. Enjoy
***** Hand History for Game 1485665238 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:34:09 EST 2005
Table Table 15687 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ethanra ( $23.5)
Seat 2: meatflowers ( $25)
Seat 3: AYLAdMamutoi ( $24.5)
Seat 4: Monteroy ( $45.25)
Seat 5: Obisponator ( $49.25)
Seat 6: BigMoe45 ( $3.25)
Seat 7: waywarda ( $26.62)
Seat 8: tr1919 ( $19)
Seat 9: Ibusol ( $37.75)
Seat 10: frigginsweet ( $5.5)
tr1919 posts small blind (0.25)
Ibusol posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Kh, Ac ]
frigginsweet calls (0.5)
ethanra folds.
AYLAdMamutoi folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
Obisponator folds.
BigMoe45 calls (1)
waywarda folds.
tr1919 calls (0.75)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
frigginsweet calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Ad, 7c ]
tr1919 bets (0.5)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
frigginsweet folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
BigMoe45 folds.
tr1919 calls (0.5)
Ibusol calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
tr1919 checks.
Ibusol checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
tr1919 folds.
Ibusol calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9c ]
Ibusol checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
Ibusol calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11.25 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ Th Ad 7c 5d 9c ]
ethanra balance $23.5, didn't bet (folded)
meatflowers balance $25, sits out
AYLAdMamutoi balance $24.5, didn't bet (folded)
Monteroy balance $52.5, bet $4, collected $11.25, net +$7.25 [ Kh Ac ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ad,Kh,Th,9c ]
Obisponator balance $49.25, didn't bet (folded)
BigMoe45 balance $2.25, lost $1 (folded)
waywarda balance $26.62, didn't bet (folded)
tr1919 balance $17, lost $2 (folded)
Ibusol balance $33.75, lost $4 [ 8s 8c ] [ a pair of eights -- Ad,Th,9c,8s,8c ]
frigginsweet balance $4.5, lost $1 (folded)
Ah, nothing beats a pocket pair with 2 overcards (3 by the river) ever. Always appreciate the call down to keep me honest.
***** Hand History for Game 1485690770 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:40:19 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $45)
Seat 2: viagrajunkie ( $16)
Seat 3: DakotaEast17 ( $10.75)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $57.63)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $26.24)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $27.75)
Seat 7: goterps ( $19.5)
Seat 8: gymji ( $7)
Seat 9: DECostin ( $24.5)
Seat 10: chaveznd ( $26.75)
DakotaEast17 posts small blind (0.25)
frankththank posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ As, Tc ]
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
germ80 calls (0.5)
goterps folds.
gymji folds.
DECostin folds.
chaveznd folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
viagrajunkie raises (1) to 1
DakotaEast17 folds.
frankththank calls (0.5)
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
germ80 folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, 8s, Ac ]
frankththank checks.
Birk21883 checks.
Monteroy checks.
viagrajunkie bets (0.5)
frankththank folds.
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
Birk21883 bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
viagrajunkie raises (2) to 2
Birk21883 calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
Birk21883 checks.
Monteroy checks.
viagrajunkie bets (1)
Birk21883 calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $14.5 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ Jd 8s Ac Qs 2d ]
Monteroy balance $55, bet $4.5, collected $14.5, net +$10 [ As Tc ] [ a pair of aces -- As,Ac,Qs,Jd,Tc ]
viagrajunkie balance $11.5, lost $4.5 [ Js Kc ] [ a pair of jacks -- Ac,Kc,Qs,Js,Jd ]
DakotaEast17 balance $10.5, lost $0.25 (folded)
frankththank balance $56.63, lost $1 (folded)
Birk21883 balance $21.74, lost $4.5 [ 8h Ks ] [ a pair of eights -- Ac,Ks,Qs,8h,8s ]
If I was playing a higher limit serious game with better players I suspect I would have been out of this hand at some point. Maybe I should have folded at some point, but people bet and raise with the strangest hands at low limit so at times it is good just to call down with a solid hand and hope. This time it worked.
***** Hand History for Game 1485723115 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:48:03 EST 2005
Seat 1: court99 ( $39.71)
Seat 2: howefam ( $20.96)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25.5)
Seat 4: SunshineX ( $19.47)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $48.75)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $44.75)
Seat 7: Thomas1020 ( $17)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $4.98)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $15.75)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $16.5)
Bemma posts small blind (0.25)
Monteroy posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Th, 2s ]
Thomas1020 calls (0.5)
ghanja calls (0.5)
HarryReems calls (0.5)
cerilloin folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
howefam calls (0.5)
aga3ms folds.
SunshineX folds.
Bemma folds.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5c, Ah, 2h ]
Monteroy checks.
Thomas1020 checks.
ghanja checks.
HarryReems checks.
court99 checks.
howefam checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 2c ]
Monteroy bets (1)
Thomas1020 folds.
ghanja calls (1)
HarryReems folds.
court99 folds.
howefam folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 9d ]
Monteroy bets (1)
ghanja calls (1)
** Summary **
SunshineX balance $19.47, didn't bet (folded)
Bemma balance $48.5, lost $0.25 (folded)
Monteroy balance $49, bet $2.5, collected $6.75, net +$4.25 [ Th 2s ] [ three of a kind, twos -- Ah,Th,2s,2h,2c ]
Thomas1020 balance $16.5, lost $0.5 (folded)
ghanja balance $2.48, lost $2.5 [ As Ts ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- As,Ah,Ts,2h,2c ]
I love people that slow play the flop with an ok but hardly overpowering hand. They always pay nicely if that free card helps you out. Think I may have folded on a flop bet? Bet he wished he bet his top pair after.
***** Hand History for Game 1485730931 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:49:56 EST 2005
Table Table 32450 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: court99 ( $38.21)
Seat 2: howefam ( $17.96)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25)
Seat 4: SunshineX ( $23.72)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $48.5)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $48.75)
Seat 7: Thomas1020 ( $16)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $2.48)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $15.25)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $16.5)
Thomas1020 posts small blind (0.25)
ghanja posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Kh, Js ]
HarryReems calls (0.5)
cerilloin folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
howefam folds.
aga3ms folds.
SunshineX folds.
Bemma calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
Thomas1020 folds.
ghanja checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jh, 4c, 4d ]
ghanja checks.
HarryReems checks.
court99 checks.
Bemma checks.
Monteroy bets (0.5)
ghanja folds.
HarryReems folds.
court99 calls (0.5)
Bemma folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jd ]
court99 checks.
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Qc ]
court99 bets (1)
Monteroy raises (2) to 2
court99 raises (2) to 3
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9.25 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ Jh 4c 4d Jd Qc ]
court99 balance $38.84, bet $4, collected $4.63, net +$0.63 [ Tc Jc ] [ a full house, Jacks full of fours -- Jc,Jh,Jd,4c,4d ]
howefam balance $17.96, didn't bet (folded)
aga3ms balance $25, didn't bet (folded)
SunshineX balance $23.72, didn't bet (folded)
Bemma balance $48, lost $0.5 (folded)
Monteroy balance $49.37, bet $4, collected $4.62, net +$0.62 [ Kh Js ] [ a full house, Jacks full of fours -- Js,Jh,Jd,4c,4d ]
OK, I lied when I said I never play tricky. My checking the turn here represented the total amount of tricky play I did in the hour. My hope was if he did not have a jack that he might call a bet on the river if his hand improved some. I was hoping he had a Q when I raised. His reraise made it obvious he had a jack and I just called figuring the house made enough from us already.
Comments
court99 has left the table.
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:52:59 EST 2005
Table Table 32450 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 2: howefam ( $16.6)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25)
Seat 4: SunshineX ( $23.72)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $48)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $49.37)
Seat 7: Thomas1020 ( $14.75)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $5.94)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $12.27)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $16.63)
cerilloin posts small blind (0.25)
howefam posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Ks, Qh ]
aga3ms folds.
SunshineX folds.
Bemma folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
Thomas1020 folds.
ghanja folds.
HarryReems calls (0.5)
cerilloin folds.
howefam checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7h, 8s, Ts ]
howefam bets (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
HarryReems raises (1) to 1
howefam raises (1) to 1.5
Monteroy folds.
HarryReems calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Jh ]
howefam bets (1)
HarryReems calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 9s ]
howefam bets (1)
HarryReems calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $8.75 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ 7h 8s Ts Jh 9s ]
howefam balance $16.98, bet $4, collected $4.38, net +$0.38 [ 6s 9c ] [ a straight, seven to jack -- Jh,Ts,9c,8s,7h ]
aga3ms balance $25, didn't bet (folded)
SunshineX balance $23.72, didn't bet (folded)
Bemma balance $48, didn't bet (folded)
Monteroy balance $48.37, lost $1 (folded)
Thomas1020 balance $14.75, didn't bet (folded)
ghanja balance $5.94, didn't bet (folded)
HarryReems balance $12.64, bet $4, collected $4.37, net +$0.37 [ Td Ac ] [ a straight, seven to jack -- Jh,Td,9s,8s,7h ]
cerilloin balance $16.38, lost $0.25 (folded)
Give these guys credit, their raise/reraise on the flop pushed me out of a hand I would have won. Oh well.
***** Hand History for Game 1485749750 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:54:23 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $49.25)
Seat 2: fooserkevin ( $21)
Seat 3: DakotaEast17 ( $6.25)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $47.63)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $6.24)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $44.75)
Seat 7: goterps ( $19.5)
Seat 8: gymji ( $18.25)
Seat 9: DECostin ( $23)
Seat 10: chaveznd ( $34.5)
goterps posts small blind (0.25)
gymji posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Ah, Qh ]
DECostin folds.
chaveznd folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
fooserkevin folds.
DakotaEast17 calls (1)
frankththank calls (1)
Birk21883 folds.
germ80 raises (1.5) to 1.5
goterps folds.
gymji folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
DakotaEast17 calls (0.5)
frankththank calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Jd, Ac, 5h ]
Monteroy checks.
DakotaEast17 bets (0.5)
frankththank folds.
germ80 calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ts ]
Monteroy checks.
DakotaEast17 checks.
germ80 checks.
** Dealing River ** : [ Jc ]
Monteroy checks.
DakotaEast17 bets (1)
germ80 folds.
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $9.75 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ Jd Ac 5h Ts Jc ]
Monteroy balance $56, bet $3, collected $9.75, net +$6.75 [ Ah Qh ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks with queen kicker -- Ah,Ac,Qh,Jd,Jc ]
fooserkevin balance $21, didn't bet (folded)
DakotaEast17 balance $3.25, lost $3 [ 2s As ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- As,Ac,Jd,Jc,Ts ]
frankththank balance $46.13, lost $1.5 (folded)
Birk21883 balance $6.24, didn't bet (folded)
germ80 balance $42.75, lost $2 (folded)
This was my wild table. Any time I raised pre flop it seemed to come back to me capped by the same 2 people. I guess I could have raised some on the turn or river but I was doubting I was even winning. I knew I was calling all the way, glad that person decided A 2 was a top notch hand.
***** Hand History for Game 1485754362 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 16:55:28 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $56)
Seat 2: fooserkevin ( $21)
Seat 3: DakotaEast17 ( $3.25)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $46.13)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $6.24)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $42.75)
Seat 7: goterps ( $19.25)
Seat 8: gymji ( $17.75)
Seat 9: DECostin ( $23)
Seat 10: chaveznd ( $34.5)
gymji posts small blind (0.25)
DECostin posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Kh, Kd ]
chaveznd folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
fooserkevin folds.
DakotaEast17 folds.
frankththank calls (1)
Birk21883 folds.
germ80 folds.
goterps folds.
gymji raises (1.25) to 1.5
DECostin folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 2
frankththank calls (1)
gymji calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4s, 7d, Qc ]
gymji checks.
Monteroy bets (0.5)
frankththank calls (0.5)
gymji calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Js ]
gymji checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
frankththank calls (1)
gymji calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
gymji checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
frankththank raises (2) to 2
gymji calls (2)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16.25 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 4s 7d Qc Js 8s ]
Monteroy balance $50.5, lost $5.5 [ Kh Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Kh,Kd,Qc,Js,8s ]
fooserkevin balance $21, didn't bet (folded)
DakotaEast17 balance $3.25, didn't bet (folded)
frankththank balance $56.88, bet $5.5, collected $16.25, net +$10.75 [ 9h Th ] [ a straight, eight to queen -- Qc,Js,Th,9h,8s ]
Birk21883 balance $6.24, didn't bet (folded)
germ80 balance $42.75, didn't bet (folded)
goterps balance $19.25, didn't bet (folded)
gymji balance $12.25, lost $5.5 [ Ad As ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Qc,Js,8s ]
Heh, I guess I was never winning this hand. The frank person was the one I noticed by the end because he did manage multiple suckouts on this table which was by far the most aggressive. I wonder if gym had bet on the flop (I would have raised ) if that would have knocked frank out. Doubt it but it might have allowed gym to actually win this hand. Hey, I guess it saved me some money.
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 17:09:01 EST 2005
Table Table 12727 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: bmousetrap ( $14.75)
Seat 2: pascokid333 ( $23.25)
Seat 3: Fredrica ( $49.75)
Seat 4: Atiba ( $24)
Seat 5: zachdish ( $12.25)
Seat 6: cannondale95 ( $17.75)
Seat 7: lacielady ( $9)
Seat 8: CuchulainnII ( $7)
Seat 9: allen33 ( $31.5)
Seat 10: Monteroy ( $49.75)
lacielady posts small blind (0.25)
CuchulainnII posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Td, Th ]
allen33 raises (1) to 1
Monteroy calls (1)
bmousetrap folds.
pascokid333 calls (1)
Fredrica folds.
Atiba folds.
zachdish folds.
cannondale95 folds.
lacielady folds.
CuchulainnII folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 7c, 2s, 3s ]
allen33 checks.
Monteroy bets (0.5)
pascokid333 calls (0.5)
allen33 calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5d ]
allen33 checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
pascokid333 calls (1)
allen33 folds.
** Dealing River ** : [ 3d ]
Monteroy bets (1)
pascokid333 calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $8.75 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ 7c 2s 3s 5d 3d ]
bmousetrap balance $14.75, didn't bet (folded)
pascokid333 balance $28.5, bet $3.5, collected $8.75, net +$5.25 [ 7d 7s ] [ a full house, Sevens full of threes -- 7d,7s,7c,3s,3d ]
Fredrica balance $49.75, didn't bet (folded)
Atiba balance $24, didn't bet (folded)
zachdish balance $12.25, didn't bet (folded)
cannondale95 balance $17.75, didn't bet (folded)
lacielady balance $8.75, lost $0.25 (folded)
CuchulainnII balance $6.5, lost $0.5 (folded)
allen33 balance $30, lost $1.5 (folded)
Monteroy balance $46.25, lost $3.5 [ Td Th ] [ two pairs, tens and threes -- Td,Th,7c,3s,3d ]
Well, I guess I am happy he called my river bet instead of raising. I guess he was genuinely concerned I had quad 3s. I will never complain when people win less off of me then they should, it adds up in the long run.
***** Hand History for Game 1485821400 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 17:10:47 EST 2005
Table Table 32450 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: pendereki ( $24.5)
Seat 2: howefam ( $3.23)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $25.75)
Seat 4: dubbljay ( $8)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $57)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $45.12)
Seat 7: SirSix ( $8.24)
Seat 8: ghanja ( $10.2)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $7.64)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $19.63)
SirSix posts small blind (0.25)
ghanja posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Ad, Ac ]
cerilloin folds.
pendereki folds.
howefam folds.
aga3ms folds.
Bemma folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
SirSix calls (0.75)
ghanja calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, Jh, Ks ]
SirSix bets (0.5)
ghanja calls (0.5)
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
SirSix calls (0.5)
ghanja calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5c ]
SirSix checks.
ghanja checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
SirSix calls (1)
ghanja calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2d ]
SirSix checks.
ghanja checks.
Monteroy bets (1)
SirSix calls (1)
ghanja calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11.25 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 2h Jh Ks 5c 2d ]
pendereki balance $24.5, didn't bet (folded)
howefam balance $3.23, didn't bet (folded)
aga3ms balance $25.75, didn't bet (folded)
dubbljay balance $8, sits out
Bemma balance $57, didn't bet (folded)
Monteroy balance $52.37, bet $4, collected $11.25, net +$7.25 [ Ad Ac ] [ two pairs, aces and twos -- Ad,Ac,Ks,2h,2d ]
SirSix balance $4.24, lost $4 [ Qs Kh ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kh,Ks,Qs,2h,2d ]
ghanja balance $6.2, lost $4 [ 3s Kd ] [ two pairs, kings and twos -- Kd,Ks,Jh,2h,2d ]
I guess I could have slow played this and hoped to win more. Nah
***** Hand History for Game 1485828100 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 17:12:18 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $62.75)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $54.88)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $4.48)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $48.01)
Seat 10: Jahidi00 ( $20)
Jahidi00 posts small blind (0.25)
Monteroy posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ 9s, 7c ]
frankththank folds.
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
germ80 folds.
Jahidi00 calls (0.25)
Monteroy checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 6s, 6c ]
Jahidi00 checks.
Monteroy bets (0.5)
Birk21883 raises (1) to 1
Jahidi00 folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
Monteroy checks.
Birk21883 bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 8s ]
Monteroy checks.
Birk21883 bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $7 | Rake: $0.5
Board: [ 9h 6s 6c 4c 8s ]
Monteroy balance $59.25, lost $3.5 [ 9s 7c ] [ two pairs, nines and sixes -- 9s,9h,8s,6s,6c ]
frankththank balance $54.88, didn't bet (folded)
Birk21883 balance $7.98, bet $3.5, collected $7, net +$3.5 [ Jc 9d ] [ two pairs, nines and sixes with jack kicker -- Jc,9d,9h,6s,6c ]
Hmmph, I need to go to kicker school. I guess I could have let this hand go, I probably would have in no limit to a big bet.
***** Hand History for Game 1485844379 *****
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 17:15:58 EST 2005
Table Table 11377 (Real Money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: Monteroy ( $59)
Seat 2: lordparker ( $23.5)
Seat 4: frankththank ( $50.75)
Seat 5: Birk21883 ( $3.98)
Seat 6: germ80 ( $54.14)
Seat 7: sille301 ( $23.75)
Seat 9: IRISH1994 ( $28.25)
Seat 10: Jahidi00 ( $19.5)
sille301 posts small blind (0.25)
IRISH1994 posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Ad, Kd ]
Jahidi00 folds.
Monteroy raises (1) to 1
lordparker folds.
frankththank folds.
Birk21883 raises (1.5) to 1.5
germ80 raises (2) to 2
sille301 folds.
IRISH1994 folds.
Monteroy calls (1)
Birk21883 calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2h, 8s, Td ]
Monteroy checks.
Birk21883 bets (0.5)
germ80 calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
Monteroy checks.
Birk21883 bets (1)
germ80 calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 6c ]
Monteroy checks.
Birk21883 bets (0.48)
Birk21883 is all-In.
germ80 calls (0.48)
Monteroy calls (0.48)
Creating Main Pot with $11.94 with Birk21883
** Summary **
Main Pot: $11.94 | | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ 2h 8s Td 3s 6c ]
Monteroy balance $55.02, lost $3.98 [ Ad Kd ] [ high card ace -- Ad,Kd,Td,8s,6c ]
lordparker balance $23.5, didn't bet (folded)
mthgh balance $25, sits out
frankththank balance $50.75, didn't bet (folded)
Birk21883 balance $11.94, bet $3.98, collected $11.94, net +$7.96 [ Kh 6d ] [ a pair of sixes -- Kh,Td,8s,6d,6c ]
germ80 balance $50.16, lost $3.98 [ Ah 2c ] [ a pair of twos -- Ah,Td,8s,2c,2h ]
A hand from the wild I raise and it comes back capped pre flop table. I guess I could have let this AK go. I am not sure which was more funny - their pre flop hands or the fact I was basically drawing dead after the flop
0.5/1 TexasHTGameTable (Limit) - Mon Jan 24 17:25:06 EST 2005
Table Table 32450 (Real Money) -- Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: pendereki ( $38.24)
Seat 2: renniw19 ( $21)
Seat 3: aga3ms ( $21.25)
Seat 4: dubbljay ( $6.75)
Seat 5: Bemma ( $49.5)
Seat 6: Monteroy ( $51.62)
Seat 7: Marie_P ( $51.25)
Seat 8: clawson15 ( $20)
Seat 9: HarryReems ( $6.64)
Seat 10: cerilloin ( $26.66)
aga3ms posts small blind (0.25)
dubbljay posts big blind (0.5)
clawson15 posts big blind (0.5)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Monteroy [ Ac, Jd ]
Bemma folds.
Monteroy calls (0.5)
Marie_P calls (0.5)
clawson15 checks.
HarryReems folds.
cerilloin folds.
pendereki folds.
renniw19 folds.
aga3ms raises (0.75) to 1
dubbljay calls (0.5)
Monteroy calls (0.5)
Marie_P calls (0.5)
clawson15 calls (0.5)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Js, As, 5s ]
aga3ms bets (0.5)
dubbljay raises (1) to 1
Monteroy calls (1)
Marie_P calls (1)
clawson15 folds.
aga3ms folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 4c ]
dubbljay bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
Marie_P calls (1)
** Dealing River ** : [ 3c ]
dubbljay bets (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
Marie_P raises (2) to 2
dubbljay calls (1)
Monteroy calls (1)
** Summary **
Main Pot: $16.75 | Rake: $0.75
Board: [ Js As 5s 4c 3c ]
pendereki balance $38.24, didn't bet (folded)
renniw19 balance $21, didn't bet (folded)
aga3ms balance $19.75, lost $1.5 (folded)
dubbljay balance $1.75, lost $5 [ Ad Ts ] [ a pair of aces -- Ad,As,Js,Ts,5s ]
Bemma balance $49.5, didn't bet (folded)
Monteroy balance $46.62, lost $5 [ Ac Jd ] [ two pairs, aces and jacks -- Ac,As,Jd,Js,5s ]
Marie_P balance $63, bet $5, collected $16.75, net +$11.75 [ 9s Ks ] [ a flush, ace high -- As,Ks,Js,9s,5s ]
clawson15 balance $19, lost $1 (folded)
HarryReems balance $6.64, didn't bet (folded)
cerilloin balance $26.66, didn't bet (folded)
Literally the last hand I played as the other 3 tables were closed by then. This hand really frustrated me, especially that raise on the river. I figured he probably had to have the flush but it was hard to actually fold. If I had that other guys A 10 I probably would have folded by the river if not sooner (though that was also a tricky hand to play). If I did not play this hand I would have ended up about $5!!!!
The one other bad beat of note that I forgot to get an email of was when frank called my raise preflop ( I had AK) flop was A 7 3 and he called me all the way with QJ hitting a jack on the turn and queen on the river. He did pay me off nicely on one hand but he did leave having a few more of my chips then I did of his (though his stack was dropping fast the whole time).
What this session did show me though was that if you play simple direct poker even with a higher dose of suckouts and bad beats you will still likely end up even + (even better if you consider the rake taken), and even+ is pretty much ideal for those grinding out the bonus as essentially I made $25 (in pro rated bonus I will soon receive) playing /5/1 limit by breaking even at the tables which equated to 25 BB for the 255 hands played or about 10BB/100 played.
10BB/100 hands while breaking even makes me think we will see more and more of this style of play in the future.
Two words. Pokertracker & GameTime+. I can multitable AND get reads without having to watch the action!
Oh, as for multitabling, it's not sometime people strictly do for bonuses. If you average 4BB/100 playing a single table, but average 2BB/100 when you play 4 tables at a time, you are winning 8BB in the same amount of time spent playing..
BTW, do we really need .50/$1 partypoker trip reports? Everyone here plays in those games and knows how bad they are..
im bonus whoring/grinding right now as well, started w/ free $50 on party and 12 days since, it is now $875
Red
That actually was not the major point of my initial post. The main reason I did these experiments was I was curious to see what type of BB/100 hand one could expect to win playing very simple, smart poker game (well I hope) in bulk within extremely loose and wild games.
Don't forget, many people say that these games can't be beat because someone will always hit their draw when you have 7 in each pot etc. The bad beats never stop etc etc etc. My sample of hands was to show that yes bad beats happen but who cares - they are simply part of the equation and nothing more.
Of my 5 limit grind test sessions I posted the one with the worst results, the one which had the highest number of bad beats to show that even in the worst case you should still break even playing fairly steady poker in the face of chaos, and by breaking even you are still clearing 10 BB/100 hands.
I appreciate the suggestions that poker tracker and such can help you get a better read on players and I am sure others are far better at playing 4 tables then I am which also will help. I am hardly saying my play/results are the best possible, in fact quite the opposite as they represent results based on a very simple method of play of a game I frankly rarely play otherwise.
In the end I am not really a bonus grinder, nor do I expect that to become a career of mine
I just find the potential impact that this type of play (ie: bonus grinding) can have on low limit online poker to be an interesting one even though I very rarely play low level limit myself
Edit to add:
"I've made some nice $$$ on the bad beat table when the jackpot is high. People seem to play very loose when the jackpot is high."
See, that is the type of situation that intrigues me. How many more BB/100 hands can one earn on these tables when the jackpot is above a certain amount? In a way it is finding pockets of order within the chaos and that is also what I was trying to do with these grinding experiments.
I dont normaly play 2/4 on regular table. I cant see why anyone would. I think that paying the extra .50 from the pot on the bad beat table is worth it. I cant say what the BB/100 difference would be but I can say that playing the 2/4 bad beat tables is same as 1/2 if not .50/1 on regular tables. Mind you need to have the bankroll to survive the occasional bad beat not worthy of a jackpot when some newb hits his hand.
Red