Just giving mad props and credit to vekked for doing this and his long informative posts and trying to help people unlike some other individuals on this forum and 98% of "online pros".:)
I'm interested if there's room for me in one of the sessions. No suggestions on topics as I am so new to the game that I would just say "everything!". If there is any intrest in a session specifically for beginer MTT players that would probably suit my skill level best.
Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to make a good seminar given the wide range of stakes. I thiiink I'm going to offer 2 seminars, one at a more basic going on intermediate level, and one that's intermediate going on advanced. The intermediate-advanced I'm going to discuss 3-betting/4-betting/sizing/late game dynamics/blockers/polarized vs. non-polarized 3 and 4-betting ranges, structured by reviewing a hand history I played where I did a lot of non-standard/aggressive stuff.
The basic-intermediate I need some help on. I was thinking of doing slideshow/theory-based seminar, where I discuss various points about opening ranges, c-betting, 3-betting, bet-sizing pre and post-flop, etc, and do some early game stuff followed by some small mid-late game adjustments, like when antes kick in, such as good stealing spots, re-stealing, maybe a bit of shortstack. I'm thinking of structuring this one sort of like an ABC guide to tournament play and try to cover a lot of topics but not get too deep into them. I'd like to do a hand-history review type section in this too because just looking at slides and hearing me talk might get boring, but early game is so boring that the only early game hand histories worth reviewing would be ones I just run like god and flop a bunch of huge hands, which aren't that helpful anyways.
So yea, I figure if I have to run 2 seminars anyways, I might as well try 2 different ones. People will be able to sign up for both if they like, but at least this way if some people know that the seminar isn't going to apply to them much they can decide not to sign up, this way people aren't paying for a seminar where they're getting nothing from.
I'm still looking for some more specific ideas for content though, so keep em coming!
I would be very interested in your late tournament top 20/early ft strategies as a topic point. How you play it in every situation from chip leader to short stack.
I see most players tighten up late to move up in $. So some discussion points could be increased pf ag, 3 & 4 bet % strategies against this type of tight play. Mostly tho I would be interested in exactly how you play it .
Ok quick update while I'm bored driving. I've been on hiatus with gf related activities the last week, but I've been thinking a lot about how to structure the seminas (I've concluded that I def need to do 2, perhaps 3 to do these topics justice). So I'm going to group the suggested topics from this thread as best I can into 3 overall theme: early-mid game (pre-ante play), mid-late game ante play before FT/FT bubble dynamics, and the late late game FT bubble. FT play won't be covered in this run, since it would take a lot of ICM work to do properly, and I don't think many here will benefit all that much from ICM voodoo at this point.
Within these 3 general themes I'm going to try to discuss everything as thoroughly as possible from single raised pots to 3-bet pots, c-betting, bet-sizing, stacksizes, opening ranges and tailoring them to oppponents, etc. Depending how thorough I am the 1st 2 topics may take 2-3 hours each and thus become separate seminars. The FTbubble seminar will be more advanced and skip a lot of the basics of the first 2 seminars and focus on some advanced topics and more 3/4-betting and the theory behind putting on your rape boots and getting out of line.
So yea, I should have some sort of specific seminar guidelines up within the next week or so.
1. Early Game (typically 60BB+ deep, no antes)
-Opening ranges by position and variations (how loose/tight you should be given different players at your table, specifically late position)
-opening from the small blind/playing BvB out of position
-Open raising sizing
-KEY CONCEPT: effective stacks
Single-Raised pots:
-c-betting: sizing, good boards to bluff heads up, good boards to bluff multiway, what to do vs. raises
-turn barreling: what turns do we bluff, what do we continue for value, what do we give up
-flatting opens: in position, heads up, multiway, out of position
-small pairs/set-mining
-defending the BB out of position (don't be a live pro), defending the BB in position (be a live pro)
3-betting/4-betting:
-re-raising with a plan: thought process behind re-raising and hand selection
-3-Betting: 3-bet bluffing ranges early (probably not!), value 3-betting ranges early, sizing, c-betting in 3-bet pots
-4-betting: 4-bet bluffing early (again, probably not!), value 4-betting ranges early, sizing
2. Mid-Late Game (typically <50BB deep and often very shallow, antes, no significant ICM considerations)
-revisitting effective stacks for the late game
-open raising sizes given effective stacks
"Deep" stacked late game (30BB+):
-opening ranges, good stacks for stealing against, bad stacks for stealing against, stealing in EP
-c-betting and playing pots as the aggressor: 2 different base strategies for post flop depending on your style/ability
-playing vs. 3-bets, flatting, 4-bet/folding, 4-bet/calling, 4-bet shoving
-3-betting: 3-bet bluffing, 3-betting for value, sizing, good spots to 3-bet bluff, bad spots to 3-bet bluff, KEY CONCEPT: Blockers
Medium stacked late game (30BB-15BB):
-opening with shorter effective stacks, playing single-raised pots when shorter
-calling with shorter effective stacks (rarely)
-reshipping
Short-stacked late game (<15BB):
-pushbotting theory: learning how to play push/fold and figure out your own ranges (it's all numbers baby)
3. Late game bubble play (this lesson involves a review of my bubble play in a $75 freeze where I go from average stack to chip leader without a pre-flop all-in):
-looking up/profiling opponents, drawing conclusions based on online results + HUD stats + tendencies
-building an overall strategy given table positions and villain profiles
-"small-ball" (sigh, not daniel negreanu) style late game vs. weak players
-opening sizes and ranges given effective stacks and player tendencies
-putting pressure on fish
-putting pressure on weak regs
-revisitting blockers
-3-bet bluffing vs. loose-passives, 3-bet bluffing vs. TAGS, 3-bet bluffing vs. EP raisers, 3-bet bluffing vs. LP raisers, 3-betting for value, polarized vs. merged ranges for 3-betting (hint: one of these is probably a leak), sizing vs. all different stack-sizes
-4-bet bluffing, sizing
-adjustments for different late game dynamics (e.g. playing the FT bubble different than playing the exact same hand away with 20 tables left)
Ok thoughts/suggestions/additions based on these points? I'm going to go through and make a full slideshow for each seminar and elaborate on all of this stuff, as you can see I have a fair bit to talk about and I feel like there's a good chance I'd need to split the 1st two up into separate seminars if I wanted to do them well, but I'll see what you guys think.
Ok I better say some stuff. To recap, the seminars could be a total of 5 and would be $250, this is a discounted rate, people don't have to take them all.
Next, for the hobbyists, would start time for these seminars be say 9pm Eastern? This gives time for west coast hobbyists to signin although late in Newfoundland. About how long could / would each seminar be?
Finally, it seems like you'll be covering this kind of idea throughout "I used to think like that, cards first, and then stack size." which I'm really liking. Also interesting, "small-ball" (sigh, not daniel negreanu)
Ok I better say some stuff. To recap, the seminars could be a total of 5 and would be $250, this is a discounted rate, people don't have to take them all.
Next, for the hobbyists, would start time for these seminars be say 9pm Eastern? This gives time for west coast hobbyists to signin although late in Newfoundland. About how long could / would each seminar be?
Finally, it seems like you'll be covering this kind of idea throughout "I used to think like that, cards first, and then stack size." which I'm really liking. Also interesting, "small-ball" (sigh, not daniel negreanu)
Thanks for the reply. For right now it's 3 seminars in the planning, and I'll see how it goes from there, it's possible I could keep making more and more new ones that explore specific concepts in depth (I was already thinking of doing an in depth short-stack ninja seminar with some special additions that I can't talk about right yet). And yes it's a discounted rate (regular I might charge around $150/seminar, maybe more for an advanced seminar like the FT bubble, and less for a more basic one) for PFC since it's going to be a new experience for me. And it's def not necessary to take all 3, I would say that most people should take both of the first 2, but only people playing like $20+ MTTs regularly should take the last one. Maybe even only $50+, some of the info could really screw you up if you start using it incorrectly.
Next, it depends on interest but there's a good chance I would run each seminar a couple times if there's more than 10 people interested in a given one. Depending on the split of people I could try split up groups by timezone to accomodate this better. 9PM is decent for me but if the seminars end up going to 12-1AM some people might not like that as much.
I think the "small-ball" part will be pretty interesting/is somewhat "new" (although a lot of high-stakes players play this way, I don't see many talking about it):mad2:. It's somewhat close to daniel's small-ball style, but it's not so much small-ball for the sake of small-ball and taking weird passive/pot control lines, my style of small-ball is still very aggressive (more than usual in some spots) and isn't concerned with playing small pots so much as betting small and raising small to induce in order to compliment a LAG style.
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Me too....
Right now I'm trying to figure out a way to make a good seminar given the wide range of stakes. I thiiink I'm going to offer 2 seminars, one at a more basic going on intermediate level, and one that's intermediate going on advanced. The intermediate-advanced I'm going to discuss 3-betting/4-betting/sizing/late game dynamics/blockers/polarized vs. non-polarized 3 and 4-betting ranges, structured by reviewing a hand history I played where I did a lot of non-standard/aggressive stuff.
The basic-intermediate I need some help on. I was thinking of doing slideshow/theory-based seminar, where I discuss various points about opening ranges, c-betting, 3-betting, bet-sizing pre and post-flop, etc, and do some early game stuff followed by some small mid-late game adjustments, like when antes kick in, such as good stealing spots, re-stealing, maybe a bit of shortstack. I'm thinking of structuring this one sort of like an ABC guide to tournament play and try to cover a lot of topics but not get too deep into them. I'd like to do a hand-history review type section in this too because just looking at slides and hearing me talk might get boring, but early game is so boring that the only early game hand histories worth reviewing would be ones I just run like god and flop a bunch of huge hands, which aren't that helpful anyways.
So yea, I figure if I have to run 2 seminars anyways, I might as well try 2 different ones. People will be able to sign up for both if they like, but at least this way if some people know that the seminar isn't going to apply to them much they can decide not to sign up, this way people aren't paying for a seminar where they're getting nothing from.
I'm still looking for some more specific ideas for content though, so keep em coming!
Heh he's giving reduced rates and I was thinking of asking for $90 for both too
I see most players tighten up late to move up in $. So some discussion points could be increased pf ag, 3 & 4 bet % strategies against this type of tight play. Mostly tho I would be interested in exactly how you play it
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That is sooo 2005.
Within these 3 general themes I'm going to try to discuss everything as thoroughly as possible from single raised pots to 3-bet pots, c-betting, bet-sizing, stacksizes, opening ranges and tailoring them to oppponents, etc. Depending how thorough I am the 1st 2 topics may take 2-3 hours each and thus become separate seminars. The FTbubble seminar will be more advanced and skip a lot of the basics of the first 2 seminars and focus on some advanced topics and more 3/4-betting and the theory behind putting on your rape boots and getting out of line.
So yea, I should have some sort of specific seminar guidelines up within the next week or so.
Definately a great opportunity, sorry I have to miss out!
All this says to me is you would rather play with a bunch of boys!
1. Early Game (typically 60BB+ deep, no antes)
-Opening ranges by position and variations (how loose/tight you should be given different players at your table, specifically late position)
-opening from the small blind/playing BvB out of position
-Open raising sizing
-KEY CONCEPT: effective stacks
Single-Raised pots:
-c-betting: sizing, good boards to bluff heads up, good boards to bluff multiway, what to do vs. raises
-turn barreling: what turns do we bluff, what do we continue for value, what do we give up
-flatting opens: in position, heads up, multiway, out of position
-small pairs/set-mining
-defending the BB out of position (don't be a live pro), defending the BB in position (be a live pro)
3-betting/4-betting:
-re-raising with a plan: thought process behind re-raising and hand selection
-3-Betting: 3-bet bluffing ranges early (probably not!), value 3-betting ranges early, sizing, c-betting in 3-bet pots
-4-betting: 4-bet bluffing early (again, probably not!), value 4-betting ranges early, sizing
2. Mid-Late Game (typically <50BB deep and often very shallow, antes, no significant ICM considerations)
-revisitting effective stacks for the late game
-open raising sizes given effective stacks
"Deep" stacked late game (30BB+):
-opening ranges, good stacks for stealing against, bad stacks for stealing against, stealing in EP
-c-betting and playing pots as the aggressor: 2 different base strategies for post flop depending on your style/ability
-playing vs. 3-bets, flatting, 4-bet/folding, 4-bet/calling, 4-bet shoving
-3-betting: 3-bet bluffing, 3-betting for value, sizing, good spots to 3-bet bluff, bad spots to 3-bet bluff, KEY CONCEPT: Blockers
Medium stacked late game (30BB-15BB):
-opening with shorter effective stacks, playing single-raised pots when shorter
-calling with shorter effective stacks (rarely)
-reshipping
Short-stacked late game (<15BB):
-pushbotting theory: learning how to play push/fold and figure out your own ranges (it's all numbers baby)
3. Late game bubble play (this lesson involves a review of my bubble play in a $75 freeze where I go from average stack to chip leader without a pre-flop all-in):
-looking up/profiling opponents, drawing conclusions based on online results + HUD stats + tendencies
-building an overall strategy given table positions and villain profiles
-"small-ball" (sigh, not daniel negreanu) style late game vs. weak players
-opening sizes and ranges given effective stacks and player tendencies
-putting pressure on fish
-putting pressure on weak regs
-revisitting blockers
-3-bet bluffing vs. loose-passives, 3-bet bluffing vs. TAGS, 3-bet bluffing vs. EP raisers, 3-bet bluffing vs. LP raisers, 3-betting for value, polarized vs. merged ranges for 3-betting (hint: one of these is probably a leak), sizing vs. all different stack-sizes
-4-bet bluffing, sizing
-adjustments for different late game dynamics (e.g. playing the FT bubble different than playing the exact same hand away with 20 tables left)
Ok thoughts/suggestions/additions based on these points? I'm going to go through and make a full slideshow for each seminar and elaborate on all of this stuff, as you can see I have a fair bit to talk about and I feel like there's a good chance I'd need to split the 1st two up into separate seminars if I wanted to do them well, but I'll see what you guys think.
Ok I better say some stuff. To recap, the seminars could be a total of 5 and would be $250, this is a discounted rate, people don't have to take them all.
Next, for the hobbyists, would start time for these seminars be say 9pm Eastern? This gives time for west coast hobbyists to signin although late in Newfoundland. About how long could / would each seminar be?
Finally, it seems like you'll be covering this kind of idea throughout "I used to think like that, cards first, and then stack size." which I'm really liking. Also interesting, "small-ball" (sigh, not daniel negreanu)
Thanks for the reply. For right now it's 3 seminars in the planning, and I'll see how it goes from there, it's possible I could keep making more and more new ones that explore specific concepts in depth (I was already thinking of doing an in depth short-stack ninja seminar with some special additions that I can't talk about right yet). And yes it's a discounted rate (regular I might charge around $150/seminar, maybe more for an advanced seminar like the FT bubble, and less for a more basic one) for PFC since it's going to be a new experience for me. And it's def not necessary to take all 3, I would say that most people should take both of the first 2, but only people playing like $20+ MTTs regularly should take the last one. Maybe even only $50+, some of the info could really screw you up if you start using it incorrectly.
Next, it depends on interest but there's a good chance I would run each seminar a couple times if there's more than 10 people interested in a given one. Depending on the split of people I could try split up groups by timezone to accomodate this better. 9PM is decent for me but if the seminars end up going to 12-1AM some people might not like that as much.
I think the "small-ball" part will be pretty interesting/is somewhat "new" (although a lot of high-stakes players play this way, I don't see many talking about it):mad2:. It's somewhat close to daniel's small-ball style, but it's not so much small-ball for the sake of small-ball and taking weird passive/pot control lines, my style of small-ball is still very aggressive (more than usual in some spots) and isn't concerned with playing small pots so much as betting small and raising small to induce in order to compliment a LAG style.