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I guess i have history for this hand in that villain has been opening alot of pots with weak hands all over the place.....mostly from ep.....this is just standard get it in on the turn i think?
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Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 50 Ante, 8 Players
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Yodabatman (BB): 11,275
UTG: 4,525
UTG+1: 19,657
MP1: 10,240
MP2: 7,822
CO: 10,517
BTN: 8,367
SB: 24,109
Pre-Flop: (1,000) K
A dealt to Yodabatman (BB)
4 folds, CO raises to 1,000, 2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 2,400, CO calls 1,400
Flop: (5,400) 9
6 J (2 Players)
Yodabatman bets 2,400, CO calls 2,400
Turn: (10,200) 9 6 J/B] T[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/heartnormal.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)
Yodabatman bets 6,425 and is All-In???
Hand History Preview
Poker Stars, $50 + $5 NL Hold'em Tournament, 200/400 Blinds, 50 Ante, 8 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
Yodabatman (BB): 11,275
UTG: 4,525
UTG+1: 19,657
MP1: 10,240
MP2: 7,822
CO: 10,517
BTN: 8,367
SB: 24,109
Pre-Flop: (1,000) K
A dealt to Yodabatman (BB)4 folds, CO raises to 1,000, 2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 2,400, CO calls 1,400
Flop: (5,400) 9
6 J (2 Players)Yodabatman bets 2,400, CO calls 2,400
Turn: (10,200) 9
6 J/B] T[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/heartnormal.gif[/IMG] [B (2 Players)![/B] T[IMG]http://www.leggopoker.com/hh/images/heartnormal.gif[/IMG] [B](/?page=%2FB%5D_T%5BIMG%5Dhttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.leggopoker.com%2Fhh%2Fimages%2Fheartnormal.gif%5B%2FIMG%5D_%5BB){kind=link}
Yodabatman bets 6,425 and is All-In???
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how about his one....
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Poker Stars, $6.45 + $0.55 NL Hold'em Tournament, 75/150 Blinds, 7 Players
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Yodabatman (MP): 3,172
CO: 2,135
BTN: 1,530
SB: 2,108
BB: 2,480
UTG: 980
UTG+1: 1,055
Pre-Flop: (225) 7
2 folds, Yodabatman raises to 300, CO calls 300, 3 folds
Flop: (825) K
Yodabatman bets 375, CO calls 375
Turn: (1,575) K
Yodabatman checks, CO bets 450, Yodabatman folds
Results: 1,575 Pot
CO showed and WON 1,575 (+900 NET)
my trouble when going small is how much to bet-call vs how much to bet-fold and how much to check-shove <.<
Not sure if like <.< His hands with spades would be like a passive KJ with J of spades or like A10 with the 10 of spades. He would probably raise most QJ one spade hands on the flop and probably not have many naked flushdraws without a pair or a draw. I think check call turn check fold flop here most of the times
edit: ok not a lot but kq for sure ...a7?
Why don't you shove here?
id love to get it in here as we are most likely ahead and or certainly have odds for it....so i bet to induce a shove which would be fine. but i want to look a little weak to get value from hands that caught a bit and want to see one more card.....but im certainly jammin any turn card and the villain is going to almost always make a mistake on the turn....
also over betting the flop is kina meh i think ....:-\
those are the spots your referring to right? not the river cause i did shove the river...
Then you get a cheap showdown iether way most of th e time, right?
theres jt too....maybe ill list the range...
Richard, what does 3:1 odds pre actually mean? How do you know if 3:1 is good or bad odds pre? How about 2:1 or 4:1?
Pre-flop odds are very over-emphasized by a lot of people when they really mean very little in most cases (especially when people use them to justify calling 3-bets or defending their big blinds). Obviously there becomes a line when they begin to matter but when there is still post-flop to be played and money behind, implied odds and reverse implied odds are much more relevant. In most actual situations it's probably not a mistake until you're giving someone close to 5:1 pre, but it's fairly irrelevant since you should never be thinking about the odds you're giving them pre anyways, but rather how much of their remaining stack you are forcing them to call to continue.
Hand 2 (K7dd) looks fine too, pre-flop is the closest decision and I would usually fold pre-antes here, but it is def fine if everyone after you is a nit. Post is good.
I do agree with what you're saying and I'm not calling here in villains shoes. But to me 3:1 means that villain won't care and call pre with most of his range and since we know his range is weak we often go up against two live cards here and there are a lot of flops that would suck to bet fold and suck to bet call with our ak. Villain is probably never folding pre given stacks if he hits a pair since people love putting people on ak in 3bet pots. Against a tighter or more competent player this sizing would be much better since we're either going up agianst more Ax and Kx hands or we're actually up against someone who cares they're being put in a bad spot vs our range
In our position we're 3betting a hand, not a range. And if we ignore trying to balance our ranges and put the hand in a vacuum, villain can sometimes put us in a bad spot if he doesn't consider our range.
and im suprised vekked is down with the 2nd one. ive been practicing betsizing and its changing the game, i think im starting to understand something, no idea what it is but the game feels like german to me sometimes now....still have no idea what this game is about.
and i def don't open the 2nd one all the time, it was game flow and timing and had to be done.