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icm spot...

UnknownUnknown
in MTT Strategy
Final table: Villain MrKlout has effectively opened shoved for the third time in a row here....i believe he has decided he will now run over the table and the tourney......

im guessing this is an icm fold....? but that i must call here...?

Poker Stars, $10 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 8,500/17,000 Blinds, 2,125 Ante, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BB: 309,101
UTG: 382,886
CO: 726,109
BTN: 273,344
Yodabatman (SB): 315,560

Pre-Flop: (36,125) Aclub.gif Qspadenormal.gif dealt to Yodabatman (SB)
UTG folds, CO raises to 391,000, BTN folds, Yodabatman

Comments

  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    Snap him!
  • HobbesHobbes
    Just based on how close the 4 of you are in chips, I think it's pretty meh between call/fold. Personally I am not folding here

    How much overall has the villain been shoving?
    Has he shown any hands?

    With the payouts, I could SnGWizard it.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »

    How much overall has the villain been shoving?
    Has he shown any hands?
    this can be best answered i think by the fact that villain is sitting 164 out of 1.2 million players this year....
  • Richard~Richard~
    This should be an easy call for you I think, we need chips to make more money, and there's not even a less than 100k stack or something
  • HobbesHobbes
    darbday wrote: »
    this can be best answered i think by the fact that villain is sitting 164 out of 1.2 million players this year....

    makes the call so much easier then.
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    Snap him!
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    Snap him!
    yikes!
  • UnknownUnknown
    Richard~ wrote: »
    This should be an easy call for you I think, we need chips to make more money
    not arguing against the call but we don't need more chips to make more money, we could actually lose chips and still make more money.
    Richard~ wrote: »
    and there's not even a less than 100k stack or something
    no but wait ten more hands though....
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    makes the call so much easier then.
    ya, but it doesn't tell me that its correct......
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    With the payouts, I could SnGWizard it.
    but you can't cap the top the of the oppenents range in wizard, i think he doesn't have aces or kings here...

    something like,
    77-JJ, ATo-AKo, A5s, A9s-Aks,JTs,QJS

    prob a little tighter....maybe a little looser but aqo is the very bottom of my calling range,

    i don't have the exact payouts but im guessing any program will say ako only.......but if you can't cap his range then its aces or kings only im guessing.....


    is icm even real?
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    AQ is bottom of range, boooo you play boring poker :P
  • DennisGDennisG
    darbday wrote: »
    but you can't cap the top the of the oppenents range in wizard, i think he doesn't have aces or kings here...

    something like,
    77-JJ, ATo-AKo, A5s, A9s-Aks,JTs,QJS

    prob a little tighter....maybe a little looser but aqo is the very bottom of my calling range,

    i don't have the exact payouts but im guessing any program will say ako only.......but if you can't cap his range then its aces or kings only im guessing.....


    is icm even real?

    I am snapping this off without thinking about it...but that's just me. I don't think you can lose here. His range is likely wider than you are giving him. I am also probably calling with AJ here, maybe A10. Go big or go home. Those other shorter stacks still have an M of 10. You keep folding these hands and you will be the shortie in no time and having to shove..but then again..you like that game..:laugh:
  • HobbesHobbes
    darbday wrote: »
    but you can't cap the top the of the oppenents range in wizard, i think he doesn't have aces or kings here...

    You can exclude parts of his range, by clicking on the Call% number
  • UnknownUnknown
    DennisG wrote: »
    I am snapping this off without thinking about it...
    :-X

    anyways, what wider hands would you put him on when im 18.5 bbs effective?
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    AQ is bottom of range, boooo you play boring poker :P
    did you pull that from thin air?


    i don't have the payouts exact but ako is the bottom with the range i posted above, but i left out qq+, if thats in his range then im calling kk+ only....


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    EDIT: damn you gotta adjust the CO shove range but the stack and stuff are all there..

    then people say screw icm but i feel like aqo can be quite weak if hes pushing many poket pairs and ako primarily....
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    AQ is bottom of range, boooo you play boring poker :P
    i assure you sir, this is far from true!!! :D
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    you said hes pushed a few hands in a row, if your not gonna call with AQ what are you gonna call with, wait for the 1-212 or whatever it is that you get dealt AA. Come on now stop fooling around here and pretending like your gonna fold here :P
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    DennisG wrote: »
    I am snapping this off without thinking about it...but that's just me. I don't think you can lose here. His range is likely wider than you are giving him. I am also probably calling with AJ here, maybe A10. Go big or go home. Those other shorter stacks still have an M of 10. You keep folding these hands and you will be the shortie in no time and having to shove..but then again..you like that game..:laugh:

    this^^^
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    you said hes pushed a few hands in a row, if your not gonna call with AQ what are you gonna call with, wait for the 1-212 or whatever it is that you get dealt AA. Come on now stop fooling around here and pretending like your gonna fold here :P
    not saying id fold....just wondering if theres an argument for a fold...
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