Fold or Shove?

Cerberus

PokerStars Game #62244346912: Tournament #394638839, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXIII (1250/2500) - 2011/05/18 2:50:32 ET
Table '394638839 17' 8-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: xPaperChase (17428 in chips)
Seat 2: focifater (145876 in chips)
Seat 3: McAusland (68999 in chips)
Seat 5: goatmasterau (70956 in chips)
Seat 6: lopergolo (113562 in chips)
Seat 8: I like Farol (74695 in chips)
xPaperChase: posts the ante 310
focifater: posts the ante 310
McAusland: posts the ante 310
goatmasterau: posts the ante 310
lopergolo: posts the ante 310
I like Farol: posts the ante 310
McAusland: posts small blind 1250
goatmasterau: posts big blind 2500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to McAusland [8c 8s]
lopergolo: folds
I like Farol: folds
xPaperChase: raises 14618 to 17118 and is all-in
focifater: raises 17882 to 35000
McAusland: ? ? ? ?

Context: $4.40 8max tourney, ITM, 17 left, one more gone and we move up another $8.50 ($19.50 to $27.00), not worried about PaperChase as he's shoving any A, any pp 55+. focifater is sitting 3/17 at this point, has yet to play any hands since I sat down (3 orbits). So, fold or shove? I don't think calling makes any sense in this situation since I would be commiting 50%+ of my stack.

Unknown

either or i think is good just not flat...i prob fold though...

Cerberus

Since I'm exhausted from busting out 11th in that tourney and having been up 23 hours straight, here's what happened.


folds
goatmasterau: folds
Uncalled bet (17882) returned to focifater
*** FLOP *** [8h 7d 9c]
*** TURN *** [8h 7d 9c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [8h 7d 9c 6h] [8d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xPaperChase: shows [Ad Kc] (a pair of Eights)
focifater: shows [Qs As] (a pair of Eights - lower kicker)
xPaperChase collected 39846 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 39846 | Rake 0
Board [8h 7d 9c 6h 8d]
Seat 1: xPaperChase showed [Ad Kc] and won (39846) with a pair of Eights
Seat 2: focifater (button) showed [Qs As] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 3: McAusland (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: goatmasterau (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: lopergolo folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: I like Farol folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Just shoot me.

getem76

folding was probably it, your racing and at that point its not worth it.....more importantly you should have went for a walk instead...love those quad hands you dont play!!

betrthanphil

Its a tough one here. You have a good enough stack its ok to fold, but in these situations it usually is that your a little bit better then a race. Because I also assume first shover has an A or maybe a hand like KQ and the Min raiser is gonna have one of the cards the first shover has. SO instead of 6 outs you have to dodge 5. or 8 to beat both but I think most important is beating forcifater. However knowing that he hadnt played a hand in 3 orbits at this level a fold might be better here I think. If you pushed it would be fine too, but I think from your discription a fold is better.

Cerberus

I actually popped open the hand replayer thingy and scanned through every hand since I sat at the table. He had played two. From the BB. I thought the fold was the right play as I was too easily dominated by him in that situation. He would make that same play 3 more times in the tourney (that I saw) with 1010, JJ and QQ, so I think that AQo was the bottom of his range for that play.

sump

snap fold here and don't be results oriented. We assume the SS is shoving any 2 cards and when he is 3-bet our 88 starts looking weak.

If we assume SS shoves with Any 2 and the 3better makes our hand look completely like a flip and at this stage of the tournament i don't like flipping against 2 random hands rather than folding and waiting for a better spot.