First hand of the seesion/day

Richard~

I've been losing A LOT lately and only graced the major final tables to bust out early. I might have to take a long break from poker if I burn through my bankroll at this rate. I have to pay rent for my family and food and god knows what atm. guess I'll have to see what happens

OnGame - 10/20 NL - Holdem - 10 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3: PokerTracker - Online Poker Software, Player Stats Tracking & HUD

BB: 1,500.00
UTG: 1,500.00
UTG+1: 1,500.00
MP: 1,500.00
MP+1: 1,500.00
MP+2: 1,500.00
LP: 1,500.00
CO: 1,500.00
BTN: 1,500.00
Hero (SB): 1,500.00

Hero posts SB 10.00, BB posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has :7h :8s

fold,
UTG+1 calls 20.00,
MP calls 20.00,
MP+1 calls 20.00,
fold,
LP raises to 60.00,
CO calls 60.00,
BTN calls 60.00,
Hero calls 50.00,
BB calls 40.00,
UTG+1 calls 40.00,
MP calls 40.00,
MP+1 calls 40.00

Flop: (480.00, 8 players) :7c :8d :ad
Hero bets 350.00,
fold,
fold,
MP calls 350.00,
fold,
LP raises to 1,440.00 and is all-in,
fold,
fold,
Hero calls 1,090.00 and is all-in,
MP calls 1,090.00 and is all-in

Flop: (4800.00, 3 players) :7c :8d :ad

Turn: (4800.00, 3 players) :10h

River: (4800.00, 3 players) :qc

Hero shows :7h :8s (Two Pair, Eights and Sevens) (PreFlop 26%, Flop 48%, Turn 10%)
MP shows :ah :qh (Two Pair, Aces and Queens) (PreFlop 52%, Flop 20%, Turn 0%)
LP shows :6h :9c (Straight, Ten High) (PreFlop 22%, Flop 32%, Turn 90%)
LP wins 4,800.00

Unknown

Chard....you need more cev son....???

Richard~

That certainly helps but I can't take any other line with that hand unless I fold pre. And I would rarely fold pre here ^^'

Unknown

Richard~ wrote: »

That certainly helps but I can't take any other line with that hand unless I fold pre. And I would rarely fold pre here ^^'

yup they must be elsewhere...

edit: lemme know too, cause i been looking

betrthanphil

for me, easy fold pre. Early in a tourney you dont know whos playing what kind of cards. Its not like you got it in here a massive favourite or anything. Guys playing 69os lol its just as likely someone has a7 or a8. People tighten up a lot when blinds get up higher and thats where i become pretty aggressive as I find it easier to put people on hands, as well as people will respect your raise as you were fairly tight in the first couple of stages.

Richard~

betrthanphil wrote: »

for me, easy fold pre. Early in a tourney you dont know whos playing what kind of cards. Its not like you got it in here a massive favourite or anything. Guys playing 69os lol its just as likely someone has a7 or a8. People tighten up a lot when blinds get up higher and thats where i become pretty aggressive as I find it easier to put people on hands, as well as people will respect your raise as you were fairly tight in the first couple of stages.

If they're competent sure, but with this many 10 dollar noobs in the pot I can just assume two pair or straights are nuts and go with it. Technically I have blockers for the 7 and 8 lol ^^' and I'm not putting anyone on aces...ever

Edit: If i was in position and the flop went bet, call, shove or bet, shove I would probably fold. But being OOP the decision is on us. 50% equity 3 way is not bad imo. If people were good I'd fold pre, cause I'd expect them to fold AQ or 69 to my bet on that flop, but since people are retarded they'll stack off with those hands and worse even with the FD out there

betrthanphil

My comment was explaining why I dont call preflop not what I do on this flop or whatever, you get yourself in too many sticky situations by calling with these hands early in tourneys..this is a prime example you flop bottom 2 and lose a 3 way all in when your not even that big of a favourite, and this is like best case senerio for you.

Richard~

This is not the best case scenario for me by far, show some optimism. In fact it's pretty much the worst case scenario flop that I'm stacking off on (bottom 2 on an a high board with a FD) and I still got it in with 50% equity in a 3 way pot which I'll take any day of the week at any stage of any buyin level.

Say they call off any A at least once and any FD or SD (I'd say that's reasonable from what I've seen), then the combination of hands that dominate me decrease significantly in...significance

I'm making a lot more money than I lose early in tournaments OOP with marginal holdings

betrthanphil

How is this not best case senerio when getting it in here against 2 other allins? what you think they are both gonna have AQ. ones gonna have a draw and ones gonna most likely have minimum top pair. So you gotta dodge a lot. Plus if you dont hit a flop your losing chips in a pot where there is no way for you to make a move to take it off all the others in the hand. and what if flop is 854. your definalty gonna lose chips there unless you improve. You cant put anyone on a hand here this early when you have no info, if you feel comfortable trying to out play/out flop the maniacs at the beginning of a tourney, be my guest, but playing like this youll be starting a lot of threads in the "beats" forum lol

Richard~

meh, not the best case scenario by far. On the flop the guy who flats would have shoved A7 or A8 with all the money in the pot and the guy who raised was the original raisor who I believe is playing a lot more big aces, suited connectors and small pairs than middish A7 hands. Dodging is inevitable in tournaments. Be it now, or shoving A8 from the HJ with 9 BB's we're gonna have to gamble

The best case scenario would be to be up against two FD's or two big aces. The worst case scenario is that I don't get action from big aces or get it in when dominated. The most common scenario is that I bet and get shoved on by some random ace and get it heads up.

(I'm not losing chips with a pair and a gutshot in a 7 way raised pot early in a tournament unless they bet like 60 into 500 or something retarded). I don't care about varience, I'm not saying no to what I feel to be free money

betrthanphil

how is it free money? because you happened to flop 2 pair here, where again your not even a big favourite. I guess goes on preference, Id rather play premium hands in the early stages and develop credibility for when blinds get up allowing me to raise in position and get a lot of chips as people play way more timid when blinds get up. Add on the fact that a lot of the idiots that do play garbage are already out after the first 5-8levels. I dont know where your assumption comes from about shoving a8 in the hj with 9bbs, thats a big jump. I dont play in early stages and rarely ever find myself shipping 9bbs with a8 in the HJ lol.

Richard~

Any play that I feel confident I can make +EV is free money, be it unexploitable or exploitative. Flatting 34s vs an UTG open early on? free money. Defending J9o vs a button open early on? free money. See an old lady walking down an alley in the middle of the night? free money ^^' so many +EV spots everywhere

I'll stop when they stop stacking off with no pair no draw lol

Unknown

looking forward to reading this when im human again.

getem76

there is a good chance of thinking your against top 2 or top and bottom, mind you its not an easy fold, remember its the first hand, people have no issue just getting it in!!! unless you commit first hand out of the gate, its a fold probably, against 7 others, not saying youve done anything wrong, theres many levels of thinking people suck out and thats poker too

the lesson: always either commit first hand or be easy to escape it, everyone is ready to get it in.....this took me a long time, first hands online are always easy folds or pre-flop shove with KK or AA and more often than not someone stacks off with far less