Thoughts?

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Basic gist of the article was about Italian tax cops sending letters to pros asking for details of their sponsorship deals with the various sites. Looks like the Euro Tax Cops are looking to come for some of that internet $$$ that everyone is talking about.

Bets on how long it takes the CRA to follow suit?

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  • Quick Story. Buddy of mine won a fair size jackpot at Casino Viagara.
    Bonus times Slot machine .
    Bought a new vehicle, New flat screen and a couple of other things.
    Audited by the Sopranos.(CRA) Had a hell of a time trying to get it through their thick skulls that he won some money. They look at everything .
    I am sure they will someday soon start doing this to make up for what they have lost to date.
    I can also see lottery and gambling winnings being taxed here in the near future also.
  • Actually, I can see that taking the longest (lotteries, at least). Government already gets a cut of that $$$, so why put a negative spin on them by taxing them? I think they go for the on-line $$$ first, and lotteries down the road.
  • Milo wrote: »

    Bets on how long it takes the CRA to follow suit?

    Technically they already do. If they suspect that you are making a living gambling (they even went after a guy that played ProLine), then they will include that money in your income. It would be up to you to prove otherwise.

    http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/news/story.html?id=74e47320-ecf5-496d-a23f-e6440ece5134
  • I realize that, Hobbes, but I am talking about going after EVERYBODY, including the guy who binks a few grand in an on-line tourney sometime. When they come after you for that, it can put a dent in your funds.

    Example: my first employer used to give you a Rolex for 10 yrs. of service. They also added said Rolex to your T4. It is still the only time I have ever had to send $$$ to the government at tax time.

    Think about some on-line guy who feels all good inside about winning 10k on UB. Even if he's lucky enough to get it off the web and into his hands, now the feds want 26%?!?
  • I can see it coming. Let's wait and see what happens in a couple of years after we have our provincial on line poker site. If Dalton and his thugs are still in power you can bet the farm they are going to end up taxing winnings.
    Another proverbial Golden Cash Cow.
    The feds will be demanding more money from this also.
  • I think so long as you can write off your losses vs your winnings for the vast majority of players it would make no difference. I could actually be -ev for the govt with all the losing players.

    What I could see, though is this. You play at govt run online casino with a gross rake tax free. You play at other online sites, we tax you.
  • True. This is if they continue to allow the other sites to operate here.

    Actually. There is a story on **************** in regards to the Italian Government, Italian Pros and their on line winnings. Still don't know how to bring it over here and it just popped up on my facebook wall. Short but interesting read.
    wON'T ALLOW THE LINK.

    c a n a d a p o k e r . c o m
  • Hobbes, honestly . . . NOTHING is EVER -ev for the government.

    They'll just change the rules.
  • 10,000 players writing off their $100 buy-in is not going to be -ev for the feds when the winner is taxed on his $300k score. The % gained on the big number is more the the % lost on the small one.

    IANA(tax)L, so ymmv.
  • Milo wrote: »
    10,000 players writing off their $100 buy-in is not going to be -ev for the feds when the winner is taxed on his $300k score. The % gained on the big number is more the the % lost on the small one.

    IANA(tax)L, so ymmv.

    If they start taxing winners at government run poker sites would it not make sense to start doing the same thing for all lotteries? I don't think they will do this and if they did it would be pretty unfair since they already take their fair share out of the proceeds. In order for things to be fair they would have to start taxing casino scores too. A lot of internet poker players will/should complain if they are taxed and live poker is not. That seems like a lot of change to squeeze out a little bit of money from a business model that is already extremely profitable for the government as is. The amount of longterm winners is ridiculously low compared to all the losers out there.

    I could see a dangerous precedent being set by going after professional players for taxes with the current definitions of what a professional player is in the tax code. If you operate like a business and use skill to realize a positive expectation you can be considered a professional. What about all the people that use pokertracker, and read books but still find themselves losing? They can claim that they operate like a business and potentially be eligible for some pretty big tax write off's.

    It'd be funny to see a bunch of people claiming they are part time professional gamblers reporting net losses on their tax forms.
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