Are you kidding me?

Steve.693Steve.693
in Brags, Beats & Variance
PokerStars Game #59974751153: Tournament #379930483, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (25/50) - 2011/03/28 19:35:58 ET
Table '379930483 10' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pika87 (3280 in chips)
Seat 2: mcpetster (2300 in chips)
Seat 3: molaga_80 (4560 in chips)
Seat 4: BonGjek (3410 in chips)
Seat 5: Tumelero (1540 in chips)
Seat 6: fasphil (1710 in chips)
Seat 7: MARNELOS (4190 in chips)
Seat 8: Steve.693 (3245 in chips)
molaga_80: posts small blind 25
BonGjek: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Steve.693 [Qd Qs]
Tumelero: folds
fasphil: raises 150 to 200
MARNELOS: folds
Steve.693: raises 450 to 650
pika87: folds
mcpetster: folds
molaga_80: folds
BonGjek: folds
fasphil: calls 450
*** FLOP *** [Tc 7s 3s]
fasphil: bets 1060 and is all-in
Steve.693: calls 1060
*** TURN *** [Tc 7s 3s] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Tc 7s 3s Th] [Ts]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fasphil: shows (four of a kind, Tens)
Steve.693: shows [Qd Qs] (a full house, Tens full of Queens)
fasphil collected 3495 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3495 | Rake 0
Board [Tc 7s 3s Th Ts]
Seat 1: pika87 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mcpetster (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: molaga_80 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: BonGjek (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Tumelero folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: fasphil showed and won (3495) with four of a kind, Tens
Seat 7: MARNELOS folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Steve.693 showed [Qd Qs] and lost with a full house, Tens full of Queens


Just brutal. I couldve dealt with an ace coming but this was retarded :bs:

Comments

  • MiloMilo
    Why retarded? You have an overpair, and an M > 34 if you fold. Why the rush to bust this guy out? If he's bluffing, well, good for him . . . try to catch him at it later on.

    I am no expert, but I think you overplayed your QQ pre, and then got too wrapped up in the thought of taking him out post-flop.

    What kind of stats/read did you have on this player? My first thought would be that he is shoving with either an overpair to the board, or a set (looking to force out a flush draw). If it's an overpair, 2/3 of the time you are dominated, if it's a set, you are also crushed so, again, what is the rush?

    My $0.02.
  • CerberusCerberus
    Milo wrote: »
    Why retarded? You have an overpair, and an M > 34 if you fold. Why the rush to bust this guy out? If he's bluffing, well, good for him . . . try to catch him at it later on.

    I am no expert, but I think you overplayed your QQ pre, and then got too wrapped up in the thought of taking him out post-flop.

    What kind of stats/read did you have on this player? My first thought would be that he is shoving with either an overpair to the board, or a set (looking to force out a flush draw). If it's an overpair, 2/3 of the time you are dominated, if it's a set, you are also crushed so, again, what is the rush?

    My $0.02.

    Geez, way to blow your bankroll in one place.
  • Steve.693Steve.693
    The retarded part was the the quad tens ran out.

    I had seen this player push hard with top pair or 2 overcards a few times and was 80% sure this was the case here. I had also not been 3-betting much or playing many cards for that last 1/2 hour so I was hoping to just steal the pot pre-flop.
  • MiloMilo
    Cerberus wrote: »
    Geez, way to blow your bankroll in one place.

    I'll have you know I went on a heater recently . . . I expect to cash out that shiny Quarter later this week. ^-^


    Steve, if all you were trying for was a p/f steal, why the uber aggressive approach post flop? Even with your comments about his play, I would still have to consider the set and overpair possibilities, no?
  • Steve.693Steve.693
    I thought it was possible but unlikely
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    Milo wrote: »
    Why retarded? You have an overpair, and an M > 34 if you fold. Why the rush to bust this guy out? If he's bluffing, well, good for him . . . try to catch him at it later on.

    I am no expert, but I think you overplayed your QQ pre, and then got too wrapped up in the thought of taking him out post-flop.

    What kind of stats/read did you have on this player? My first thought would be that he is shoving with either an overpair to the board, or a set (looking to force out a flush draw). If it's an overpair, 2/3 of the time you are dominated, if it's a set, you are also crushed so, again, what is the rush?

    My $0.02.
    Not sure if this is a joke or not lol. Your gonna fold that flop in a $2 game? Raise pre isnt horrible either. The guy only had 1500 left after his raise and if your unlucky enough to run into the 2 hands that are beating you then he will still have plenty of chips left. Played the hand right just got unlucky IMO. Now if the guy had more chips then him I might just flat pre, but your still getting it in on the flop in a $2 game. Find it hard to believe no one else is losing this hand in an all in pot.
  • MiloMilo
    Milo wrote: »
    Why retarded? You have an overpair, and an M > 34 if you fold. Why the rush to bust this guy out? If he's bluffing, well, good for him . . . try to catch him at it later on.

    I am no expert, but I think you overplayed your QQ pre, and then got too wrapped up in the thought of taking him out post-flop.

    What kind of stats/read did you have on this player? My first thought would be that he is shoving with either an overpair to the board, or a set (looking to force out a flush draw). If it's an overpair, 2/3 of the time you are dominated, if it's a set, you are also crushed so, again, what is the rush?

    My $0.02.

    Please see bolded . . . I am learning, too, Phil. I would question your comment about the stakes, though. The correct decision, barring a read on your opponent (which the stakes might help with, I admit), should still be the correct decision, right. Wouldn't you be more likely to use things like expected value, pot odds, equity, etc. in trying to figure out your play
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    I just know you joke around a lot haha. To me stakes matter because the quality of play is different. We have this guy 2-1 and by reraising pre we isolate him. If he ships were still gonna call and at this level we are likely to see almost any pair A10s+ even worse sometimes. Only 2 hands we dont want to see and if he draws out on us, our stack isnt in horrible shape. Gotta build a stack when these situations present themselves. At least thats how I see it.
  • VekkedVekked
    QQ is a fist pump get it in vs. 8 shoves pre at these stakes.
  • VekkedVekked
    Milo wrote: »
    Why retarded? You have an overpair, and an M > 34 if you fold. Why the rush to bust this guy out? If he's bluffing, well, good for him . . . try to catch him at it later on.

    I am no expert, but I think you overplayed your QQ pre, and then got too wrapped up in the thought of taking him out post-flop.

    What kind of stats/read did you have on this player? My first thought would be that he is shoving with either an overpair to the board, or a set (looking to force out a flush draw). If it's an overpair, 2/3 of the time you are dominated, if it's a set, you are also crushed so, again, what is the rush?

    My $0.02.

    Sorry milo, your hand reading and tendencies are quite off. He played it pretty much perfect. I'd almost say you can't overplay QQ at these stakes because people overplay stuff like AJ or 88 wayyy too much. In this spot I wouldn't play QQ differently if it was a 10k buyin.

    Also, I mean, if you just look at the results you can see how far off your read that he's shoving sets and overpairs are. He called out 3-bet with ATo (which makes our re-raise awesome automatically). If he shows up with ATo his range has so much more stuff in it and is so much weaker than we could even guess. I don't think I could even begin to put him on a realistic range at any point in this hand, but I know I'd 100% be calling AK on this flop and feeling fine about it.
  • DennisGDennisG
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    Not sure if this is a joke or not lol. Your gonna fold that flop in a $2 game? Raise pre isnt horrible either. The guy only had 1500 left after his raise and if your unlucky enough to run into the 2 hands that are beating you then he will still have plenty of chips left. Played the hand right just got unlucky IMO. Now if the guy had more chips then him I might just flat pre, but your still getting it in on the flop in a $2 game. Find it hard to believe no one else is losing this hand in an all in pot.

    This was my exact thought.

    I am never folding that flop with QQ in this game...hell, I would have a hard time finding the fold button in most games with his stack size...never mind the under 10 buck games.
  • MiloMilo
    Okay, thanks, guys . . .
  • Steve.693Steve.693
    Thanks for the responses. I am kinda shocked no one has said
    "why are you complaining when you were in as an 80% favorite?" yet.

    At this level in the 90man sng's I have seen so many ridiculous shoves ( q-x off comes to mind) that suck out the it makes it hard to lay down almost any decent hand
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    What do you expect. 1 it's Stars 2. people seem to play that way and in Most cases get rewarded. It happens to me a lot too.
    No sense on getting upset about it any more. I have come to expect it.
    Funny thing is is that I can sit here and tell you what card is going to come out and river me to the rail.
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    I have come to the realization that all you can do is put yourself in position as often as you can. But once all the chips go in the middle, its up to variance, luck, the poker gods, etc...

    You can't expect to win every 80/20 hand, 'cause 20% of the time, you don't. :)
  • MiloMilo
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    I have come to the realization that all you can do is put yourself in position as often as you can. But once all the chips go in the middle, its up to variance, luck, the poker gods, etc...

    You can't expect to win every 80/20 hand, 'cause 20% of the time, you don't. :)

    I paraphrase the great (not yet late) Yogi Berra:

    Baseball is 50% Physical, 50% Mental, and 50% luck.
  • Steve.693Steve.693
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    I have come to the realization that all you can do is put yourself in position as often as you can. But once all the chips go in the middle, its up to variance, luck, the poker gods, etc...

    You can't expect to win every 80/20 hand, 'cause 20% of the time, you don't. :)


    I know that it's gonna happen it just gets frustrating when sometimes it feels like variance is an angry ex out to get me.

    I felt better after last night when variance brought me 2 QQ and 4 AA in about 15 hands and they all held up so I know it actually does go both ways. :)
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