Call or Fold here?

betrthanphilbetrthanphil
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PokerStars Game #59637111871: Tournament #413010642, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (800/1600) - 2011/03/22 18:37:03 ET
Table '413010642 5' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: barbus533 (4565 in chips)
Seat 2: Lukie99 (17155 in chips)
Seat 3: Mixa Dolphin (22748 in chips)
Seat 4: FCGrosso83 (34401 in chips)
Seat 5: BetrThanPhil (15681 in chips)
Seat 6: flong78 (58180 in chips)
Seat 7: andrei17 (51825 in chips)
Seat 8: holek1 (34406 in chips)
Seat 9: joeygadah (13997 in chips)
barbus533: posts the ante 150
Lukie99: posts the ante 150
Mixa Dolphin: posts the ante 150
FCGrosso83: posts the ante 150
BetrThanPhil: posts the ante 150
flong78: posts the ante 150
andrei17: posts the ante 150
holek1: posts the ante 150
joeygadah: posts the ante 150
FCGrosso83: posts small blind 800
BetrThanPhil: posts big blind 1600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BetrThanPhil [Jc 8c]
flong78: folds
andrei17: folds
holek1: folds
joeygadah: folds
barbus533: folds
Lukie99: folds
Mixa Dolphin: folds
FCGrosso83: raises 32651 to 34251 and is all-in
BetrThanPhil:?

Comments

  • UnknownUnknown
    tis a snap call sir!
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    Fold.
    Don't call off all your chips with a worse hand.
    You beat too little and dominated too often.

    I dont mind shipping this hand when you're first in the pot, but i hate calling off your stack when you're always behind.

    Ax or K8+, K6s+, QT+ Q9s+, TJs any pair I'll ship. I really dont like J8 here.
    M is 5, we can survive this round by folding our blinds, and still have fold equity when we make our steal.

    Villian is doing this light, but he's probably not shipping 93o or 24s here. if you give him the slightest bit of credit his range beats your hand. Fold.
  • UnknownUnknown
    syphilaids wrote: »
    if you give him the slightest bit of credit his range beats your hand. Fold.
    i feel like if you give him the slightest bit of credit then this is a call....
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    darbday wrote: »
    i feel like if you give him the slightest bit of credit then this is a call....
    Why?
  • UnknownUnknown
    syphilaids wrote: »
    Why?
    because small blind should be jamming at least this:

    22+ Qx+ J2s+ J4o+ T2s+ T6o+ 93s+ 96o+ 84s+ 86o+ 74s+ 76o 63s+ 53s+ 43s
  • VekkedVekked
    opr -> call if reg. Also call if he's a seemingly aggressive random.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Vekked wrote: »
    opr -> call if reg. Also call if he's a seemingly aggressive random.
    yup villain is a decent reg on opr...
  • UnknownUnknown
    im actually really curious as to why op asked this question...?
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    Wasnt positive on whether this was a call or not, i was a little tilted at the time has some donk with 9bbs called my raise from EP with j5os and flop j42. I had 99 just steamed me a little. I did call here but wasnt positive if it was right play so figured id ask. He ended up having j9os and i rivered an 8
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    Wasnt positive on whether this was a call or not, i was a little tilted at the time has some donk with 9bbs called my raise from EP with j5os and flop j42. I had 99 just steamed me a little. I did call here but wasnt positive if it was right play so figured id ask. He ended up having j9os and i rivered an 8

    right on. Well J8s is part of the nash equillibrium calling range for 10 bbs effective stacks here. Because villain is decent wed assume he's shoving at least that.

    ....you do this by feel don't you....:-\
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    darbday wrote: »
    right on. Well J8s is part of the nash equillibrium calling range for 10 bbs effective stacks here. Because villain is decent wed assume he's shoving at least that.

    ....you do this by feel don't you....:-\
    is there another way?
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    is there another way?
    to know :)
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    At 10bbs, I don't know if I call here. I would think we are behind but not way behind. It would depend on my read on villain and how aggro he has been.

    With you stack, you can still wait another 20 hands and try to be the aggressor as opposed to calling a raise. But I don't think either play is horrible.
  • VekkedVekked
    Just for something for some people to think about in these situations; you don't actually have to be ahead to make calling correct. You're leaving a lot of money on the table if you think in terms of "best hand = call, worst hand = fold". This would be correct if there was never money in the pot before any decision. Here there's not only money in the pot, but it represents nearly 1/3 of our stack.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Vekked wrote: »
    Just for something for some people to think about in these situations; you don't actually have to be ahead to make calling correct. You're leaving a lot of money on the table if you think in terms of "best hand = call, worst hand = fold". This would be correct if there was never money in the pot before any decision. Here there's not only money in the pot, but it represents nearly 1/3 of our stack.
    although this concept isn't new for me i realized it recently and am working it into my game. well its pot odds/hand equity i guess, but specifically that money we put in the pot is no longer ours....
  • getem76getem76
    you WILL find a better spot, if it was Q9 or something ya probably, you stack and what you have, odds are you will get a better hand, its better to shove than call when you wonder
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    I guess this is what a was expected, a forum divided haha some say call some say fold lol. I dont really disagree with either. But I like the call.
  • VekkedVekked
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    I guess this is what a was expected, a forum divided haha some say call some say fold lol. I dont really disagree with either. But I like the call.

    The correct answer is probably call at $50+ and fold at <$50 or something. Maybe $109 is the line. I'd basically never fold at $150+ (not including sunday majors) because even the randoms are shoving super wide here.
  • UnknownUnknown
    getem76 wrote: »
    you WILL find a better spot, if it was Q9 or something ya probably, you stack and what you have, odds are you will get a better hand, its better to shove than call when you wonder

    theres no such things as a better spot really. any competent villains shove range here is going to be at least all non ex shoves with 10 effective bbs. Its been said before if the big blind isn't calling perfectly then the villain can shove even wider. J8s is part of the equilibrium calling range, but look at how many people here don't call with it? Its very safe to assume villain is jamming wider than the nash shoves, so J8s is an easy call.

    I find most people shove closest to correct from the sb, and many jam wider.
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