PCA 1k 6 max hand.

Out of the whole trip this hand has me thinking the most so I just wanted to hear to opinions or what not. Ill give you some info first. This tourney was very aggressive. I was in the 4 seat. seat 3 was the chip leader with like 13 left. Seat 2 was a tanker just looking to climb the money board. and seat 6 was very aggressive with 3 betting and 4 betting, even 5 betting pre. I seen him 5 bet then fold. I also had a buddy that played with him in day 1 and said he was very very aggressive. I did not 3 bet at all. maybe 3 or 4 times in all of day 2 and we were about 6 hours or so into it. seat 1 and 5 are empty at this time so we are 4 handed.
blinds are 2500/5000. seat2 stack is like 55000, seat 3 is like 600,000, me seat 4 is like 360000 and seat 6 is like 400,000.
Im not gonna say what I have. Just want to hear thoughts and what not on what you would need to call me on the river.
seat 2 muck, seat 3 raises on button to 10500, i 3 bet to 27500, seat 6 flats the 3 bet. and button comes in as well. The flop comes Ad 5c6c. I bet out like 38000, seat 6 flats and button folds. turn is a 5h. i check he checks. river is a 2d. I check he bets out 58000, I shove, so for like 245000 more or so.
Ill leave this here for now then come back after and say what I had.

Comments

  • As played.....preflop, I'm not likely flatting with the button behind....I'm 4-betting (AQ+, 99+) or folding.....but keep in mind I suck at NLHE.

    As described, I assume villain's calling ranging would be Ax+, possibly 88+....based on your play.
  • i did this....little easier to read maybe....accurate too, maybe

    seat1:
    seat2: wants-to-climb 55,000
    seat3: chip-leader 600,000
    seat4: Betrthanphil 360,000
    seat5:
    seat6: uberaggreso 400,000

    Pre:

    wants-to-climb folds
    chip-leader raises to 10,500
    Betrthanphil raises to 27,500
    uberaggreso calls 27,500
    chip-leader calls to 10,500


    Flop: Ad 5c 6c

    Betrthanphil raises ~38,000
    uberaggreso calls ~38,000
    chip-leader folds

    Turn: 5h


    Betrthanphil checks
    uberaggreso checks

    River 2d

    Betrthanphil checks
    uberaggresso bets 58,000
    Betrethanphil raises all-in-ish
  • id prob need ak...but since you checked the turn id have to tank with kk, id be looking for a reason to call but would prob pass....course id be checking it down on the river anyways....

    if im calling with kk.....theres an argument for any ace/any pair to call i think......maybe even kq
  • Well seeing as you have seen him 5 bet fold pre, I am going to assume that he can make a somewhat decent laydown if it is for his tournament life. This call will pretty much end his tournament. So I assign a calling range of AQ+ .... Check-raise on river is nearly always nuts in live games IMO

    But I have never played anywhere close to this stake...
  • reibs wrote: »
    Well seeing as you have seen him 5 bet fold pre, I am going to assume that he can make a somewhat decent laydown if it is for his tournament life. This call will pretty much end his tournament. So I assign a calling range of AQ+ .... Check-raise on river is nearly always nuts in live games IMO

    But I have never played anywhere close to this stake...

    I had A10c in this hand and thought that my play would make him fold an Ace here hoping to get him off an AJ or maybe even the same hand as me. I never wanted to get a call here thought id be behind. But I figured it was a good chance to try to get chips with so much in the pot already. He ended up snapping me.....I thought for sure I had lost when he flips over A10 too. I was shocked that he snapped me with a10.
  • I was shocked that he snapped me with a10.

    yes
  • I don't understand your thought process. On the river, when you check-shove, I'm not sure what hand you're trying to rep.

    If you had AK/AQ type hand I don't see you ever slowing down on the turn.

    Preflop, he cold-called your 3 bet with the initial raiser left to act. I would never expect him to show up with A5/A6/66/55/65s or any 5x combo in this situation. I would expect his range to be something like 88-AA, A9-AQs, A10-AKo, KQs. I would discount some of those hands based on timing - also expect some of those hands to cold four bet sometimes.

    Flop - Your bet seems standard. His call on the flop means that he has something either an ace or flush draw. I expect him to fold out all hands with no pair, no draws, and all pocket pairs that didn't hit as there's an ace on the flop and there's a player left to act. It also matters what suit your ace is. If you have the club that blocks all the nut flush draws...and he can only have KQcc maybe KJcc if he doesn't have an ace. So I expect his range to be weighted towards Ax.

    Turn - the turn card doesn't really change anything...unless he has a flush draw and is worried about you filling up.

    River - your check-shove is questionable to me. I'm not sure what you're trying to rep. Say you had a full house or quads....I don't think you would ever slow down on the turn unless it was precisely AA. If you had 66 or 55, you would expect your opponent to have an ace here a lot of the time...and should bet it for value on turn and river.

    Your river check-shove is trying to fold out Ax hands, but your line makes your hand look like nuts/air. The only nut hand that you can conceivably play this way is AA...that makes it rather difficult for your opponent to fold when there is only one combo of AA left.

    There's a lot of bluffs in your range like Mid-High pocket pairs...than value hands. Your line would be really good if you thought your opponent would be willing to value bet a hand like JJ on the river and call off thinking you're bluffing (I don't see how JJ gets to the river when it was 3 to the flop in a 3 bet pot with an ace on board though - your line is better if this hand was played heads up or if it was the initial raiser that flatted you preflop). If you've seen him make hero calls before....I wouldn't mind this play as you would be merging your hand.

    As played, there's no way he's folding the river and that's why you got snapped and that's probably why you should have just check-called.


    I had A10c in this hand and thought that my play would make him fold an Ace here hoping to get him off an AJ or maybe even the same hand as me. I never wanted to get a call here thought id be behind. But I figured it was a good chance to try to get chips with so much in the pot already. He ended up snapping me.....I thought for sure I had lost when he flips over A10 too. I was shocked that he snapped me with a10.
  • As played, there's no way he's folding the river and that's why you got snapped and that's probably why you should have just check-called.


    i like the breakdown....but you almost setup an argument that induces villain to call with all his aces.....
  • darbday wrote: »
    i like the breakdown....but you almost setup an argument that induces villain to call with all his aces.....

    +1 This... In his position I would have called (and lost) with A,2... course I'm a calling station. So nice play...
  • compuease wrote: »
    +1 this... In his position i would have called (and lost) with a,2... Course i'm a calling station. So nice play...

    huh ?????????
  • HVEEPOKER wrote: »
    huh ?????????

    uhhh, AA, 55 with 10 kicker beats AA, 55 with 6 kicker... I think.
  • The problem with this is that he shows up with more Ax hands that beats A10 than with Ax hands that lose to A10. The only Ax hands you beat are precisely is A3, A4, A7, A8, and A9....of those hands, I can see the villain actually having A9s....while you're losing to AJ-AK.

    darbday wrote: »
    i like the breakdown....but you almost setup an argument that induces villain to call with all his aces.....
  • This guy isnt only calling with aj plus pre, he had been ubber aggressive a loved to make moves. I really thought my play looked really strong personally. but maybe i shouldve bet the turn. But as soon as he checked the turn i knew he wasnt really strong and i figured he might fold to a check push since he checked the turn with his hand.
  • A3, A4, A7, A8, and A9....of those hands, I can see the villain actually having A9s....while you're losing to AJ-AK.

    This guy isnt only calling with aj plus pre.

    i you didn't say he was only calling aj+ pre wind but i think he has all aces at least suited ones pre. and i think he re raises ak,aa everytime, likely aq too.....
  • Remember, I have only 3 bet maybe 3 times. While the table has been 3 and 4 bet city. So I think that makes my hand look really strong as well.
  • ..... but maybe i shouldve bet the turn.


    i think this is your small ball tendency that you were touting....i don't think its such a bad check for pot control though....
  • Remember, I have only 3 bet maybe 3 times. While the table has been 3 and 4 bet city. So I think that makes my hand look really strong as well.

    not if they put you on kcqc type hands though?
  • can 5 bet folding be good poker?
  • I had flatted those types of hand all day and they had seen them being showed down. I guess they dont think like that though.
  • This guy isnt only calling with aj plus pre, he had been ubber aggressive a loved to make moves. I really thought my play looked really strong personally. but maybe i shouldve bet the turn. But as soon as he checked the turn i knew he wasnt really strong and i figured he might fold to a check push since he checked the turn with his hand.

    I think checking turn and check shoving river Is good value...as I don't think your hand looks as strong as A 10.... I think you can get calls from worse hands a good percentage of the time
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