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If villain is shoving atc, its an easy snap call:


but if i change the range to just less than 30% im only calling tt+, Ak etc.

is this a snap call, or maybe a snap fold with the short stacks......





Poker Stars, $11 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 180 Man MTT, 2,500/5,000 Blinds, 500 Ante, 4 Players


Yoda (BB): 43,767
kinis4816 (UTG): 44,080
Peter_HH (BTN): 155,364
bg_atlanta (SB): 26,789

Pre-Flop: (9,500) 9heartnormal.gif 9clubnormal.gif dealt to Yoda (BB)
kinis4816 folds, Peter_HH raises to 154,864 and is All-In, bg_atlanta folds, Yoda calls 38,267 and is All-In


im gonna be posting a few of theses for a bit....


thx!

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  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    darbday wrote: »
    If villain is shoving atc, its an easy snap call:


    but if i change the range to just less than 30% im only calling tt+, Ak etc.

    is this a snap call, or maybe a snap fold with the short stacks......





    Poker Stars, $11 + $1 NL Hold'em Tournament, 180 Man MTT, 2,500/5,000 Blinds, 500 Ante, 4 Players


    Yoda (BB): 43,767
    kinis4816 (UTG): 44,080
    Peter_HH (BTN): 155,364
    bg_atlanta (SB): 26,789

    Pre-Flop: (9,500) 9heartnormal.gif 9clubnormal.gif dealt to Yoda (BB)
    kinis4816 folds, Peter_HH raises to 154,864 and is All-In, bg_atlanta folds, Yoda calls 38,267 and is All-In


    im gonna be posting a few of theses for a bit....


    thx!

    Snapping this. Villains range in this specific situation justifies.
  • UnknownUnknown
    thx
  • windbreakerwindbreaker
    ICM involves actual payout structures. You're obviously ahead of the shoving range and this is a clear +cEV spot, but there can be cases made for a fold...eg. satellite and 3 seats only.

    The flatter the structure - sways it more towards a fold...but I assume this is a regular payout structure...and calling is most likely your best option.
  • UnknownUnknown
    windbreaker wrote: »
    ICM involves actual payout structures. You're obviously ahead of the shoving range and this is a clear +cEV spot, but there can be cases made for a fold...eg. satellite and 3 seats only.

    The flatter the structure - sways it more towards a fold...but I assume this is a regular payout structure...and calling is most likely your best option.

    this question takes into account the payout, not chip ev, check the link to see....
  • windbreakerwindbreaker
    This post doesn't make sense. You have to actually list the payouts for people to use ICM.

    Like in your question if the payouts were like:

    A)

    1st - $1k
    2nd - $500
    3rd - $250
    4th - $100

    or B)

    1st/2nd/3rd - $1k satellite seat
    4th - $0

    Then ICM dictates that you should call more often in payout structure A, and fold in payout structure B. The actual payouts make a difference.

    Your example with your actual hand is going to be a call in the majority of the tourneys you play. If in your example, you change your actual hand to say K10o or 22, then ICM becomes more of a factor into your play. The steeper the payout structure, you would have a lot less motivation to call....and the more shallow the structure...the more likely you should call.
    darbday wrote: »
    this question takes into account the payout, not chip ev, check the link to see....
  • UnknownUnknown
    windbreaker wrote: »
    This post doesn't make sense. You have to actually list the payouts for people to use ICM.


    if you follow link you'll notice the calculations have been done for the discussion.....


    edit: my bad....i did the icm calculations (forgot to post them), villain should jam atc....so hes likely really really wide.....but he has to be basically wider than 30% says the theory....so the question is...is he wider than 30% an am i using the wetts calculator properly....
  • UnknownUnknown
    windbreaker wrote: »
    This post doesn't make sense. You have to actually list the payouts for people to use ICM.

    HoldemResources.net: Beta ICM Nash Calculator
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    if you ever fold here, then quit poker. lol
  • ryanghallryanghall
    Don't you dare fold this.
  • ryanghallryanghall
    BTW most people who have knowledge of ICM overrate it. Please don't ask me to explain how/why, because I can't. I just know.
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    ryanghall wrote: »
    BTW most people who have knowledge of ICM overrate it. Please don't ask me to explain how/why, because I can't. I just know.


    I agree with this.:)
  • UnknownUnknown
    ryanghall wrote: »
    Don't you dare fold this.
    don't you dare stop posting here
  • UnknownUnknown
    ryanghall wrote: »
    BTW most people who have knowledge of ICM overrate it. Please don't ask me to explain how/why, because I can't. I just know.

    explain something then!
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    darbday wrote: »
    explain something then!

    I think he means they make bad folds in good spots.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    I think he means they make bad folds in good spots.

    i will get this...i will get this.....
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    If I may use this thread, I am just curious mind you......

    But what does icm say about this situation, last 3 of a 18 man sit n go payouts:

    1st 14.40

    2nd 10.80

    3rd 7.20



    Seat 8 is the button
    Seat 7: U STOP CRYING ( $6770.00 USD )
    Seat 8: gworth ( $4475.00 USD )
    Seat 9: ScooterII ( $15755.00 USD )
    ScooterII posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
    U STOP CRYING posts big blind [$400.00 USD].
    ** Dealing down cards **
    Dealt to gworth [ Td Tc ]




    Sorry if I am missing any other info and maybe it does not even apply here?
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    ICM doesnt apply when speaking about yourself as the shortstack.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    ICM doesnt apply when speaking about yourself as the shortstack.
    ....or when you are chuck norris:confused:
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