K, rip me to shreds. I probably deserve it but don't understand why.

wildbill7145

So, I've decided that my little $6.50 6max sng's are no longer for me. I'm going to try and break into the world of MTT's and will likely get my ass kicked for quite some time, but I understand that's part of the learning process.

My major recognized problem has always been bet sizing and I'm sure that's where I failed horribly here. Please offer advice on the below:

PokerStars Game #55206648804: Tournament #345093187, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2011/01/01 20:05:06 ET
Table '345093187 62' 8-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: jumper0079 (5040 in chips)
Seat 2: zakattack420 (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: wildbill7145 (3045 in chips)
Seat 4: marm22 (2955 in chips)
Seat 5: bethgago (3130 in chips)
Seat 6: mAkin jAck (3010 in chips)
Seat 7: StarvdWeasel (2890 in chips)
Seat 8: Honoria (1680 in chips)
mAkin jAck: posts small blind 15
StarvdWeasel: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to wildbill7145 [Kh Ks]
Honoria: folds
jumper0079: folds
zakattack420: calls 30
wildbill7145: raises 90 to 120
marm22: folds
bethgago: raises 150 to 270
mAkin jAck: folds
StarvdWeasel: folds
zakattack420: calls 240
wildbill7145: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [9c Tc 4s]
zakattack420: bets 427
wildbill7145: raises 427 to 854
bethgago: calls 854
zakattack420: folds


I'm also new to the MTT strategy section so I'm not 100% sure where to stop the hand history. I do remember that I'm not supposed to post the results so if I killed it at the wrong spot, just say so.

Wetts1012

At the 4.40 level I 4bet shove pre. Guarantee the 3bettor calls based on his positioning.

What I mean is, you opened in EP and he 3bet you from MP. Doubt he folds his 1010+, AK.

philliivey

Hate the call pre (but I can see your thinking) and the flop min bet was ugh!, but I hate min bets in general:)

Wetts1012

I dont mind your flop play but I make it more. Minraises have a perception of superstrength.

compuease

Agree with Wetts here (surprise huh?). At this level, not likely he's folding anyways...

Unknown

shoving people off your kings > playing 3 way post flop

even if they all fold you get a nice pick up, if they call that's great too.....

and you could post more of the hand history but its gonna basically play itself out here.

JohnnieH

I'm not sure I like the flat call preflop. I'd rather see a raise to 1K-ish to see where you are, and to isolate the bethago.

That being said, your min-raise on the flop with 2 other players is kinda weak. Given the action, I'd shove to Zak's bet. Beth's call looks like A-Face of spade, or he's rolling you with Aces.

wildbill7145

Thanks for the responses guys. Here's how it turned out. This is absolutely not a bb post, despite the fact the guy rivered me. I couldn't care less about that. Moreso about bet sizing. As I said before, this is a major leak in my game.


*** TURN *** [9c Tc 4s] [2h]
wildbill7145: bets 1921 and is all-in
bethgago: calls 1921
*** RIVER *** [9c Tc 4s 2h] [3c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
wildbill7145: shows [Kh Ks] (a pair of Kings)
bethgago: shows [Kc Ac] (a flush, Ace high)
bethgago collected 6832 from pot
wildbill7145 finished the tournament in 877th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6832 | Rake 0
Board [9c Tc 4s 2h 3c]
Seat 1: jumper0079 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: zakattack420 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: wildbill7145 showed [Kh Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: marm22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: bethgago (button) showed [Kc Ac] and won (6832) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: mAkin jAck (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: StarvdWeasel (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: Honoria folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Ooops, I guess this should have been in analyze my hand as well.

SuitedPair

maybe but your question has to do with bet sizing which is part of MTT strategy as well so I don't think anyone will rip you for that.

Hand might have gone the same way with a shove as some people really love their AKs and won't let go. I tend to agree with Comp who agreed with Wetts that you don't like inviting more people to join the post flop party but if they call a decent raise it isn't so bad as you have a great hand going to showdown. Don't think the AK was going anywhere with their 3bet pre so it would have ended up the same way but a shove would have probably killed off AQ- and invited in TT+.

trigs

at this level i shove preflop here after the reraise and call. might even get an AQ to call it (just like the other day against my kings in a similar spot - AQ spiked an A on the flop obviously).