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SharantyrSharantyr
in No Limit / Pot Limit Holdem
What would you do here?

Would most of you just ship pre? Or was the raise alright here?

PokerStars Game #55163501928: Tournament #347821724, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2010/12/31 22:49:00 ET
Table '347821724 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: jayman.les (2485 in chips)
Seat 2: Dr XLIF (3970 in chips)
Seat 3: baklanoff (3165 in chips)
Seat 4: Sharantyr (5364 in chips)
Seat 5: Mkeo69 (2530 in chips)
Seat 6: Prophet 22 (8010 in chips)
Seat 7: frankie1224 (5630 in chips)
Seat 8: Wm.G.Davis (5085 in chips)
Mkeo69: posts small blind 30
Prophet 22: posts big blind 60
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sharantyr [Ks Kh]
frankie1224: raises 120 to 180
Wm.G.Davis: calls 180
jayman.les: calls 180
Dr XLIF: folds
baklanoff: calls 180
Sharantyr: raises 1380 to 1560
Mkeo69: folds
Prophet 22: folds
frankie1224: calls 1380
Wm.G.Davis: folds
jayman.les: calls 1380
baklanoff: folds
*** FLOP *** [9d Ac 5d]
frankie1224: bets 60
jayman.les: raises 865 to 925 and is all-in
Sharantyr: ??

Thanks in advance for your opinions.

Comments

  • UnknownUnknown
    I like the raise size, and at this point with the ep raiser left to act i think you have to make a very sour face and fold. Your only like 7% against a ragged ace and we all know how micros lover their aces. Gross though because their are so many pocket pairs in their preflop range but you'll only lose 1500 here and you can rebuild.....an ace hit the flop, it doesn't happen that often.

    sometimes, and its almost a situation like that here.....i will pump up the bet to about 2000 and shove any flop...not sure you can warrant that here though.......
  • HobbesHobbes
    You raised too much preflop (almost 2x pot)
    As played fold. You got 3tarded.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    I think I lean towards just pushing pre here

    Pot's decent enough size, and it looks like a steal.

    Mark
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Hobbes wrote: »
    You raised too much preflop (almost 2x pot)
    .

    I like it. It certainly looks like a much weaker hand.
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    Thank you for the comments.

    I guess I was also wondering how many of you think that frankie is going overtop of the all in? Is it worth a call to get a side pot? Looking back at the hand again I wonder even more at his 60 chip bet out on the flop.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Sharantyr wrote: »
    Thank you for the comments.

    I guess I was also wondering how many of you think that frankie is going overtop of the all in? Is it worth a call to get a side pot? Looking back at the hand again I wonder even more at his 60 chip bet out on the flop.

    its unlikey he will call you with anything worse, since ak aq and aa are alot of your range. with an Ace on the board and two all ins hes not likely at all to pay you off. his donk bet could mean the nuts or nothing, not much of a tell. KK doesn't win all the time, we know that, we made our correct raise preflop and will gain our edge on the field by folding for a better future opportunity.
  • SharantyrSharantyr
    darbday wrote: »
    its unlikey he will call you with anything worse, since ak aq and aa are alot of your range. with an Ace on the board and two all ins hes not likely at all to pay you off. his donk bet could mean the nuts or nothing, not much of a tell. KK doesn't win all the time, we know that, we made our correct raise preflop and will gain our edge on the field by folding for a better future opportunity.

    Master of the Jedi you are Yoda ;)


    Hand 1. PokerStars Game #55163501928: Tournament #347821724, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (30/60) - 2010/12/31 22:49:00 ET
    Table '347821724 5' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
    Seat 1: jayman.les (2485 in chips)
    Seat 2: Dr XLIF (3970 in chips)
    Seat 3: baklanoff (3165 in chips)
    Seat 4: Sharantyr (5364 in chips)
    Seat 5: Mkeo69 (2530 in chips)
    Seat 6: Prophet 22 (8010 in chips)
    Seat 7: frankie1224 (5630 in chips)
    Seat 8: Wm.G.Davis (5085 in chips)
    Mkeo69: posts small blind 30
    Prophet 22: posts big blind 60
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sharantyr [Ks Kh]
    frankie1224: raises 120 to 180
    Wm.G.Davis: calls 180
    jayman.les: calls 180
    Dr XLIF: folds
    baklanoff: calls 180
    Sharantyr: raises 1380 to 1560
    Mkeo69: folds
    Prophet 22: folds
    frankie1224: calls 1380
    Wm.G.Davis: folds
    jayman.les: calls 1380
    baklanoff: folds
    *** FLOP *** [9d Ac 5d]
    frankie1224: bets 60
    jayman.les: raises 865 to 925 and is all-in
    Sharantyr: folds
    frankie1224: calls 865
    *** TURN *** [9d Ac 5d] [9s]
    *** RIVER *** [9d Ac 5d 9s] [Kd]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    frankie1224: shows [Ts Tc] (two pair, Tens and Nines) <--- ugh but that is ok. Better to still be in it :)
    jayman.les: shows [Ad 8d] (a flush, Ace high)
    jayman.les collected 6980 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 6980 | Rake 0
    Board [9d Ac 5d 9s Kd] <--- I don't even really mind too much here. Yoda tells me I am right!
    Seat 1: jayman.les showed [Ad 8d] and won (6980) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 2: Dr XLIF folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: baklanoff folded before Flop
    Seat 4: Sharantyr (button) folded on the Flop
    Seat 5: Mkeo69 (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 6: Prophet 22 (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 7: frankie1224 showed [Ts Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Nines
    Seat 8: Wm.G.Davis folded before Flop


    decision leads to this later on ..

    PokerStars Game #55165970740: Tournament #347821724, $1.00+$0.25+$0.15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2011/01/01 0:55:11 ET
    Table '347821724 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
    Seat 1: kess111 (17775 in chips)
    Seat 2: hahaha2424 (1020 in chips)
    Seat 3: jayman.les (20192 in chips)
    Seat 5: 67Buick (8190 in chips)
    Seat 6: Sharantyr (25646 in chips)
    Seat 7: wwted (44442 in chips)
    Seat 8: garikviv (55942 in chips)
    Seat 9: NASNUT88 (6793 in chips)
    kess111: posts the ante 100
    hahaha2424: posts the ante 100
    jayman.les: posts the ante 100
    67Buick: posts the ante 100
    Sharantyr: posts the ante 100
    wwted: posts the ante 100
    garikviv: posts the ante 100
    NASNUT88: posts the ante 100
    Sharantyr: posts small blind 400
    wwted: posts big blind 800
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Sharantyr [Kd Kc]
    garikviv: raises 1600 to 2400
    NASNUT88: calls 2400
    kess111: folds
    hahaha2424: folds
    jayman.les: folds
    67Buick: folds
    Sharantyr: raises 23146 to 25546 and is all-in
    wwted: folds
    garikviv: folds
    NASNUT88: calls 4293 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (18853) returned to Sharantyr
    *** FLOP *** [Js Ad Ks]
    *** TURN *** [Js Ad Ks] [7d]
    *** RIVER *** [Js Ad Ks 7d] [3d]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Sharantyr: shows [Kd Kc] (three of a kind, Kings)
    NASNUT88: shows [6c 6h] (a pair of Sixes)
    Sharantyr collected 17386 from pot
    Sharantyr wins the $0.25 bounty for eliminating NASNUT88
    NASNUT88 finished the tournament in 8th place and received $3.24.
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 17386 | Rake 0
    Board [Js Ad Ks 7d 3d]
    Seat 1: kess111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: hahaha2424 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: jayman.les folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: 67Buick (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: Sharantyr (small blind) showed [Kd Kc] and won (17386) with three of a kind, Kings
    Seat 7: wwted (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 8: garikviv folded before Flop
    Seat 9: NASNUT88 showed [6c 6h] and lost with a pair of Sixes

    Finished Second.


    Again thanks for comments.
  • MeistroMeistro
    Cant fold the flop pot odds are too juicy, also you might have raised a touch too much pre, basically when in doubt just raise pot. Jamming pre is a little silly imo and cuts down on your action too much, although it does nicely rep a slightly weaker hand. Jamming looks weaker than reraising to like 1200 or w/e pot is.
  • UnknownUnknown
    There is probably room to raise to 8k or so in the 2nd hand and shove anyflop ;)

    notice though how light you did get looked up....
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    Meistro wrote: »
    Cant fold the flop pot odds are too juicy, also you might have raised a touch too much pre, basically when in doubt just raise pot. Jamming pre is a little silly imo and cuts down on your action too much, although it does nicely rep a slightly weaker hand. Jamming looks weaker than reraising to like 1200 or w/e pot is.

    Pot odds kinda going away when you know you only have 2 outs. A call on the flop would be horrible imo.

    I believe the race pre was a little high. I would prob raise around 800 or shove to make it look like a steal. I think a rule of thumb is if your 3 bet is more then 25% of your stack you should just go all in as putting 25% of your stack in pre flop and then folding on the flop is not a profitable play.
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    Pot odds kinda going away when you know you only have 2 outs. A call on the flop would be horrible imo.

    I believe the race pre was a little high. I would prob raise around 800 or shove to make it look like a steal. I think a rule of thumb is if your 3 bet is more then 25% of your stack you should just go all in as putting 25% of your stack in pre flop and then folding on the flop is not a profitable play.


    +1


    raise size for 2nd hand please :)
  • MeistroMeistro
    You're getting almost 6 to 1 on calling the flop. My 'rule of thumb' is any time I am about to bet > half my stack I just go all in but that is sort of silly, obviously there are plenty of times when you wuold want to raise 25% of your stack and then fold (vs passive opponents for example you can make many tough folds) but you don't typically want to build monster pots and then fold, as in the example above. It's around 5k pre and 900 to call, I snap all day.
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