This is starting to get to me

djgolfcan

I am a 4 to 1 favourite everytime this chips go in the middle and I cannot win. WTF ??!?

Full Tilt Poker Game #26300429979: $2 + $0.25 On Demand Tournament (204056767), Table 2 - 300/600 Ante 75 - No Limit Hold'em - 04:17:00 ET - 2010/12/11
Seat 1: targetnuts (11,075), is sitting out
Seat 2: great-white02 (27,146)
Seat 4: scooby01 (3,932)
Seat 6: muck007 (9,080)
Seat 7: forceuser (22,250)
Seat 8: LuckyStr1ke45 (4,356)
Seat 9: dufferdevon (5,245)
targetnuts antes 75
great-white02 antes 75
scooby01 antes 75
muck007 antes 75
forceuser antes 75
LuckyStr1ke45 antes 75
dufferdevon antes 75
scooby01 posts the small blind of 300
muck007 posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to dufferdevon [Kd Ad]
targetnuts has returned
forceuser folds
LuckyStr1ke45 raises to 4,281, and is all in
dufferdevon raises to 5,170, and is all in
targetnuts has 15 seconds left to act
targetnuts has timed out
targetnuts folds
targetnuts is sitting out
great-white02 folds
scooby01 folds
muck007 folds
dufferdevon shows [Kd Ad]
LuckyStr1ke45 shows [Tc Ks]
Uncalled bet of 889 returned to dufferdevon
*** FLOP *** [7c Qs Jc]
*** TURN *** [7c Qs Jc] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [7c Qs Jc Jd] [9h]
dufferdevon shows a pair of Jacks
LuckyStr1ke45 shows a straight, King high
LuckyStr1ke45 wins the pot (9,987) with a straight, King high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 9,987 | Rake 0
Board: [7c Qs Jc Jd 9h]
Seat 1: targetnuts folded before the Flop
Seat 2: great-white02 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: scooby01 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: muck007 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: forceuser folded before the Flop
Seat 8: LuckyStr1ke45 showed [Tc Ks] and won (9,987) with a straight, King high
Seat 9: dufferdevon showed [Kd Ad] and lost with a pair of Jacks

LanterneRouge

You are a 3-1 favourite, not 4-1, and this isn't within a hundred million miles of a real 'beat' story.

:ad:kd: 74.57% win, 1.10% tie
:ks:10c: 24.33% win, 1.10% tie

If there is a 'beat' story here, it is that, after years of playing, your basic poker math might still need work and you are, presumably, easily tiltable. This result really needs to roll off you 'like water off a duck's back'.

In my earlier poker days, I, like most, tilted here and there. Then one day I got it all in on the flop with the nut flush only to be beaten by the one and only runner-runner combination (i.e. :qs:ts) that would make the straight flush required to save the villain. I was 99.90% to his 0.10% and I still lost. It forced me to realize the somewhat obvious truth ... if you aren't 100.0%, you might lose. I have never tilted since.

Congratulate yourself on getting it in good and consider the loss 'the cost of doing business'.

Hobbes

Taking lessons from darbyday?

betrthanphil

LanterneRouge wrote: »

You are a 3-1 favourite, not 4-1, and this isn't within a hundred million miles of a real 'beat' story.

:ad:kd: 74.57% win, 1.10% tie
:ks:10c: 24.33% win, 1.10% tie

If there is a 'beat' story here, it is that, after years of playing, your basic poker math might still need work and you are, presumably, easily tiltable. This result really needs to roll off you 'like water off a duck's back'.

In my earlier poker days, I, like most, tilted here and there. Then one day I got it all in on the flop with the nut flush only to be beaten by the one and only runner-runner combination (i.e. :qs:ts) that would make the straight flush required to save the villain. I was 99.90% to his 0.10% and I still lost. It forced me to realize the somewhat obvious truth ... if you aren't 100.0%, you might lose. I have never tilted since.

Congratulate yourself on getting it in good and consider the loss 'the cost of doing business'.

I highly doubt that is true. If its not either you dont make deep runs in tourneys only to get a shit beat to be takin out. I understand what you are saying in the fact that bad beats will happen and this isnt the worst beat in the world, But some cases the beats are real sick and because you have played for the last 8 hours only to lose to some "idiot" haha you will tilt.

Unknown

Hobbes wrote: »

Taking lessons from darbyday?

what like snap folding kings heads up after getting half villains money in the pot?

LanterneRouge

betrthanphil wrote: »

I highly doubt that is true.

Doubt if you will. I'll agree that most amateurs (of which I am most certainly one) suffer from it. However...

By my definition, "tilt" is allowing emotion to affect your play. That can't happen in your example (getting KO'd late in a tourney) unless you immediately start playing another game ... which I don't. I will never register in a tourney if I am pre-upset about something - particularly something to do with poker.

If you want to use an example of taking a bad beat (that didn't KO you) within a game...

Immediately after taking the bad beat, the very first things I always think to myself when looking at my next starting hand are:

- Stay calm. Stay logical. Do not deviate from optimal strategy.
- What value would I have given to this hand two minutes ago?
- Do the other players think I am now tilting / can I convince them that I'm tilting?
- Does this hand allow me a way to take advantage of (/possibly also strengthen) that false image?

I try to model my anti-tilt game on Negreanu - who is a master at it. I once read something on his old blog on the subject and the importance of it never left me. From that day on, I really worked on it.

Over the last couple of years, I have progressively gotten better at controlling tilt ... and the better I have gotten, the easier it has become. At this point, it really doesn't exist on any level that I can detect. Now, when a bad beat comes up and I (invariably) don't let it tilt me, it is like I had the power to turn a losing hand into a winning hand - despite what the cards might have said! I think things along the lines of "I was/am the better player. I got my money in good. You got your money in bad. I am still mentally in control. You can't change that. One loss based on unavoidable random probability can't change that. I crave taking bad beats. The more the better. Winning players take bad beats. Losing players rely on bad beats. In the long haul, if I am taking ten for every one that I give, I am winning money."

I don't know what my current VPIP is on hands immediately after taking a bad beat, but I'd bet there is very little difference. It might be marginally higher, but I would entirely attribute that to two or three very logical and calculated reasons/scenarios which I won't bother describing here.

Basically, since I am always 'in it to win it' and I know tilt is -EV, under no circumstance will I allow it to enter my game. Screw you, tilt! You ain't gonna beat me!

Shake my head? Sometimes - usually with a little laugh. Allow emotion to affect my next hand? Not gonna happen.

djgolfcan

For the record, I am just pissed off with the way my luck is running at the moment. This is not an isolated incident as you can see from my previous threads. This has not affected my play at all, in fact, the last month or so, I am playing the best poker I ever have.

Usually tilt, for me, is brought on by bad beats in a game over my bankroll, which I am no longer doing. Just because someone posts a bad beat in this thread, does not mean they are on tilt. And I would say losing as a 3-1 favourite is a bad beat.

That is what this thread is for, to vent and curse your luck. If I wanted advice, I would have posted in the hand analysis thread.

LanterneRouge

Okay - you aren't on tilt. Good. I guess I just read more into your title than was there.

Still... it seems absurd to post something as insanely common as a low-stakes 75%-25% loss in BBV.

But hey, that's my opinion and I could be wrong. Let's see:

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