comments for preflop and flop...???

Unknown

i know i can shove the flop but im thinking of just calling or jamming any river, i would have liked to have put a little more in preflop.....

PokerStars Game #54049059706: Tournament #343010495, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2010/12/10 13:08:31 PT [2010/12/10 16:08:31 ET]
Table '343010495 527' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: 7even_8ght (12988 in chips)
Seat 2: sepp2403 (5818 in chips)
Seat 3: Hans-jörg029 (7552 in chips)
Seat 4: forboon (5653 in chips)
Seat 5: fetthans (13238 in chips)
Seat 6: mik4u1 (18440 in chips)
Seat 7: werner1982 (13385 in chips)
Seat 8: sloty27 (5965 in chips)
Seat 9: triseriatus (15370 in chips)
7even_8ght: posts the ante 40
sepp2403: posts the ante 40
Hans-jörg029: posts the ante 40
forboon: posts the ante 40
fetthans: posts the ante 40
mik4u1: posts the ante 40
werner1982: posts the ante 40
sloty27: posts the ante 40
triseriatus: posts the ante 40
mik4u1: posts small blind 150
werner1982: posts big blind 300
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ac Kc]
sloty27: calls 300
triseriatus: folds
7even_8ght: raises 900 to 1200
sepp2403: folds
Hans-jörg029: folds
forboon: raises 1500 to 2700
fetthans: folds
mik4u1: folds
werner1982: folds
sloty27: folds
7even_8ght: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [2d 8s 5s]
7even_8ght: bets 4500
forboon: is all in?

DrTyore

Weak re-pop pre-flop

You can push here if you want, but I get the feeling pocket 10's wanted to see the flop before committing you.

Mark

Wetts1012

Why arent we shoving pre again?

If the intention of the non shove 3 bet was to get value than we are obviously shoving any flop.

Unknown

Wetts1012 wrote: »

Why arent we shoving pre again?

If the intention of the non shove 3 bet was to get value than we are obviously shoving any flop.

ya well this is the question, can i get more value from shoving post flop...i think maybe because so many villains at this level will play ak aq aj kq but not call all in preflop with the whole range.....

but maybe im fancy pantsing it...

Unknown

because of players like this...

PokerStars Game #54054588041: Tournament #337839453, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (75/150) - 2010/12/10 14:51:13 PT [2010/12/10 17:51:13 ET]
Table '337839453 140' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: benniniETN (9570 in chips)
Seat 2: Natali_kayla (8040 in chips)
Seat 3: Lady Maria17 (7890 in chips)
Seat 4: crazeekev (10677 in chips)
Seat 5: Helle1990 (7151 in chips)
Seat 6: kva80 (11332 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: curr17 (5894 in chips)
Seat 8: forboon (2110 in chips)
Seat 9: aladingps (5500 in chips)
benniniETN: posts the ante 20
Natali_kayla: posts the ante 20
Lady Maria17: posts the ante 20
crazeekev: posts the ante 20
Helle1990: posts the ante 20
kva80: posts the ante 20
curr17: posts the ante 20
forboon: posts the ante 20
aladingps: posts the ante 20
aladingps: posts small blind 75
benniniETN: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ad Js]
Natali_kayla: folds
Lady Maria17: calls 150
crazeekev: calls 150
Helle1990: calls 150
kva80: folds
curr17: folds
kva80 has returned
forboon: raises 750 to 900
aladingps: folds
benniniETN: folds
Lady Maria17: folds
crazeekev: calls 750
Helle1990: folds
*** FLOP *** [2s Qc 4c]
crazeekev: checks
forboon: bets 600
crazeekev: folds
Uncalled bet (600) returned to forboon
forboon collected 2505 from pot
forboon: shows [Ad Js] (high card Ace)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2505 | Rake 0
Board [2s Qc 4c]
Seat 1: benniniETN (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Natali_kayla folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Lady Maria17 folded before Flop
Seat 4: crazeekev folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Helle1990 folded before Flop
Seat 6: kva80 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: curr17 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: forboon (button) collected (2505)
Seat 9: aladingps (small blind) folded before Flop

Wetts1012

darbday wrote: »

ya well this is the question, can i get more value from shoving post flop...i think maybe because so many villains at this level will play ak aq aj kq but not call all in preflop with the whole range.....

but maybe im fancy pantsing it...

He 4xd pre. Pretty sure you'll get a call shoving pre. If not I dont mind the small 3 bet but you have to close your eyes for the flop and shove. There is no questioning when you get the nut worst flop, like this one.

T8urmoney

I don't like the small 3-bet pre....with your stack size, I think the only option is shoving preflop. Give him too much opportunity to call preflop light, when you can't fold after any flop.

betrthanphil

SHOVE PREFLOP. I can see making this play with a high PP but not with AK, i get it in all day preflop. You 3 bet almost half your stack now you consider folding on the flop?