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am i supposed to get away from this?

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in MTT Strategy
guy beside me is a donk on atc

PokerStars Game #53480103846: Tournament #335508121, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2010/11/29 15:09:47 PT [2010/11/29 18:09:47 ET]
Table '335508121 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Bartok123 (2988 in chips)
Seat 2: TheOxMan (6445 in chips)
Seat 3: bolkov76 (8657 in chips)
Seat 4: kryking (5935 in chips)
Seat 5: Stalker481 (3610 in chips)
Seat 6: tagrag44 (3020 in chips)
Seat 7: gusti33 (2010 in chips)
Seat 8: forboon (5850 in chips)
Seat 9: urluckstops (5775 in chips)
bolkov76: posts small blind 15
kryking: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qs Qh]
Stalker481: folds
tagrag44: folds
gusti33: raises 30 to 60
forboon: raises 135 to 195
urluckstops: folds
Bartok123: folds
TheOxMan: folds
bolkov76: raises 315 to 510
kryking: folds
gusti33: calls 450
forboon: raises 1560 to 2070
bolkov76: raises 6587 to 8657 and is all-in
gusti33: calls 1500 and is all-in
forboon: calls 3780 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (2807) returned to bolkov76
*** FLOP *** [5d Ah 4h]
*** TURN *** [5d Ah 4h] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [5d Ah 4h Th] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bolkov76: shows [Ac As] (three of a kind, Aces)
forboon: shows [Qs Qh] (a pair of Queens)
bolkov76 collected 7680 from side pot
gusti33: shows [Ks 9d] (high card Ace)
bolkov76 collected 6060 from main pot
forboon finished the tournament in 304th place
gusti33 finished the tournament in 305th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 13740 Main pot 6060. Side pot 7680. | Rake 0
Board [5d Ah 4h Th 6c]
Seat 1: Bartok123 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: TheOxMan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: bolkov76 (small blind) showed [Ac As] and won (13740) with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 4: kryking (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Stalker481 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: tagrag44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: gusti33 showed [Ks 9d] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 8: forboon showed [Qs Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: urluckstops folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Comments

  • HobbesHobbes
    I think you know the answer
  • 800OVER800OVER
    What's the saying again? "The fifth raise is super dooper aces" Although at this buyin level I've seen the same thing with ak even aj (probably even 44)
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    I think you know the answer

    .....you say this every time i ask this....:-\..:p...:-\..

    i don't know, its border line for me....not worried about the result....
  • UnknownUnknown
    800OVER wrote: »
    What's the saying again? "The fifth raise is super dooper aces" Although at this buyin level I've seen the same thing with ak even aj (probably even 44)

    we're arbitrary??
  • HobbesHobbes
    800OVER wrote: »
    What's the saying again? "The fifth raise is super dooper aces" Although at this buyin level I've seen the same thing with ak even aj (probably even 44)

    esp when K9 got all in w 50+BB
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    esp when K9 got all in w 50+BB

    this is why i felt i had to four bet to isolate, otherwise ill get crushed post flop without a set. then original raiser goes all in and im left with a range that im lucky to be a coinflip against....
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    I have seen a lot of this too lately so you are not alone. I have an easier time folding Pocket aces unless I have shoved with them.
    I love the Queens , and the 10's usually come up with trips or boats.
    I know for myself there is a wider range of hands I play in a 4$ tourney.
    Especially a MTT. I think a lot of people tighten up if they were to play in a higher stakes games.
  • betrthanphilbetrthanphil
    I dont know what Id do in a 4.40 tourney but in what I play i wouldve just called the 4bet raise of 315 and got away on the flop, your so deep stack do you really want to get it in with just a pair of Qs. AA or KK of course, But I unno I dont like qq that much, easy to go broke with.
  • UnknownUnknown
    betrthanphil wrote: »
    I dont know what Id do in a 4.40 tourney but in what I play i wouldve just called the 4bet raise of 315 and got away on the flop, your so deep stack do you really want to get it in with just a pair of Qs. AA or KK of course, But I unno I dont like qq that much, easy to go broke with.

    thank you sir.
  • HobbesHobbes
    darbday wrote: »
    this is why i felt i had to four bet to isolate, otherwise ill get crushed post flop without a set. then original raiser goes all in and im left with a range that im lucky to be a coinflip against....


    If you want legit answers to your "Strategy" question, why post the results?

    This is a 4.40, no way in hell barring an absolute soul read do I fold QQ.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    If you want legit answers to your "Strategy" question, why post the results?

    This is a 4.40, no way in hell barring an absolute soul read do I fold QQ.

    honestly,.....mr. internetwebz ninja....i don't usually either, but i had to re bet to isolate from donkey so was a legit question, i mean qq we can jam always.....but should we........
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    I am never shoving nearly 200bb deep with QQ preflop. I 3bet call the 4bet to setmine and play poker from there.

    After we 5 bet and get a 6bet/shove and a call behind us, it is a fold every day. We still have 100+bb, there is no need to shove the rest in when we can be nearly certain the range of hands we are up against either beat or racing at very best. K9 in the hand notwithstanding.

    Next time, I wouldn't post the results.
  • UnknownUnknown
    HammerDad wrote: »
    I am never shoving nearly 200bb deep with QQ preflop. I 3bet call the 4bet to setmine and play poker from there.

    After we 5 bet and get a 6bet/shove and a call behind us, it is a fold every day. We still have 100+bb, there is no need to shove the rest in when we can be nearly certain the range of hands we are up against either beat or racing at very best. K9 in the hand notwithstanding.

    Next time, I wouldn't post the results.

    its set mine or fold i think. to fold after my last raise is no good since in these micros villain's reshove range is to far beyond aa kk believe it or not.

    as for posting the results i only do it when there not relevant and i don't believe they are here. will call to evaluate the flop next time as you and betrthnphil suggested...thx all
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    If you want legit answers to your "Strategy" question, why post the results?

    This is a 4.40, no way in hell barring an absolute soul read do I fold QQ.


    thx for this too, nice to know im not crazy....?
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    darbday wrote: »
    its set mine or fold i think. to fold after my last raise is no good since in these micros villain's reshove range is to far beyond aa kk believe it or not.

    Not all villains at the micro's are morons. I've been playing micro's for a few years now, mainly because poker is a hobby and for me, this is the only level I can comfortably afford. My only issue is staying sober long enough to finish the tournament....lol

    Yes, there are aggro villains playing micro stakes willing to get it in with any two cards on occassion. But those are the ones that we can generally fold and find a better spot.
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