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UnknownUnknown
in MTT Strategy
villain is is 33/ 22 and 2/5 steal attempts but only like 30 hands.

PokerStars Game #53205390979: Tournament #333186548, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIV (250/500) - 2010/11/24 10:05:44 PT [2010/11/24 13:05:44 ET]
Table '333186548 8' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Brasoveanu1 (30934 in chips)
Seat 2: Hellgrüner (11655 in chips)
Seat 3: cristicvf (9162 in chips)
Seat 4: gjwanke (11394 in chips)
Seat 5: forboon (15469 in chips)
Seat 6: guidozelf (6580 in chips)
Seat 7: np03 (6869 in chips)
Seat 8: vinits5 (11136 in chips)
Seat 9: Ferdinand43 (18053 in chips)
Brasoveanu1: posts the ante 60
Hellgrüner: posts the ante 60
cristicvf: posts the ante 60
gjwanke: posts the ante 60
forboon: posts the ante 60
guidozelf: posts the ante 60
np03: posts the ante 60
vinits5: posts the ante 60
Ferdinand43: posts the ante 60
gjwanke: posts small blind 250
forboon: posts big blind 500
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon
guidozelf: folds
np03: folds
vinits5: folds
Ferdinand43: folds
Brasoveanu1: folds
Hellgrüner: folds
cristicvf: raises 1500 to 2000
gjwanke: folds
forboon: calls 1500
*** FLOP *** [9h As Qh]
forboon: checks
cristicvf: bets 2850
forboon: raises 10559 to 13409 and is all-in

Comments

  • UnknownUnknown
    lol ok not all streets just pre and post flop
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    p/f is standard. Given his stack size, I don't 3 bet as it commits us to calling a shove with a speculative hand. Folding p/f is weak/tight.

    On the flop if we had Jh10d I would be happier getting it in here. His p/f range includes a lot of weak aces here. And given he already committed 1/2 his stack and is now under 10bb, if villain hit any part of this, (outside maybe q10os) they are probably stacking off here as they are getting over 3/1.

    You may get KK to fold, but not too often as most would 3 bet a btn raise with a decent ace. Unless villain is a complete monkey, JJ/10 probably has to fold given the 2 overs and uber-wet board.

    A quick stove of villains range gives me this (edit, although I think I am giving villain a decently wide range from the button that includes most suited Aces/Kings most pocket pairs and various suited connectors:

    Includes all hands possibly raised pre:

    162,360 games 0.005 secs 32,472,000 games/sec
    Board: As Qh 9h
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 33.371% 32.72% 00.65% 53119 1062.50 { JdTd }
    Hand 1: 66.629% 65.97% 00.65% 107116 1062.50 { AcAd, KK-44, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, T9s, 98s, A8o+, KTo+, QJo }

    Hands reasonably cbet:

    208,901,088 games 0.187 secs 1,117,118,117 games/sec
    Board:
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 35.950% 35.54% 00.41% 74237404 863517.00 { JdTd }
    Hand 1: 64.050% 63.64% 00.41% 132936650 863517.00 { JJ+, 99, A8s+, KJs+, A9o+, KQo }
  • HobbesHobbes
    Fancy Play Syndrome?
  • UnknownUnknown
    Hobbes wrote: »
    Fancy Play Syndrome?


    beep

    what is.....re wording my question?^-^
  • HammerDadHammerDad
    I stoved it again with cbet range as I see I didn't include the flop:

    92,070 games 0.005 secs 18,414,000 games/sec
    Board: As Qh 9h
    Dead:
    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 27.965% 27.65% 00.31% 25461 286.50 { JdTd }
    Hand 1: 72.035% 71.72% 00.31% 66036 286.50 { JJ+, 99, A8s+, KJs+, A8o+, KQo }



    I don't see many hands in villains range that villain would cbet 1/2 their stack on that flop that don't have us crushed. Hell, we are getting freerolled by J10hh (which I probably should've included when I did the stove).
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    Easy fold pre-flop. Easy fold post flop.

    Villain has just stuck in 20% of his stack preflop. You are out of position, with an M of 12. You should not be getting involved in calling raises out of position at this stage.

    Flop gives you an up and down straight draw, or 8 outs, not all of which are clean as there is a flush draw on board.
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    Well I can say sometimes I am right and sometimes I am wrong. lmao
    I know there is a different breed of player in the 8$ compared to the 1$ .
    Bingo players call this hand when I try to show some strength usually with 7-3 and hit the 7 on the river. Thats the 1$ way.
    he probably has a pair A-A or Big Shit. I probably would call to see the turn

    If I hit I am golden if not oh well that's Poker.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Easy fold pre-flop. Easy fold post flop.

    Villain has just stuck in 20% of his stack preflop. You are out of position, with an M of 12. You should not be getting involved in calling raises out of position at this stage.

    Flop gives you an up and down straight draw, or 8 outs, not all of which are clean as there is a flush draw on board.

    gutsiest move i ever saw man
  • iNano78iNano78
    I prefer a fold or a shove pre-flop. If he happens to wake up with a big hand, it's just a cooler.
  • reibsreibs
    iNano78 wrote: »
    I prefer a fold or a shove pre-flop. If he happens to wake up with a big hand, it's just a cooler.

    ^^ This. 18 bb effective. Its like my fav hand to 3 bet shove light with as hes not gunna call off his stack with anything that has us absolutely crushed very often. With the limited hh you have on villain, and the fact that its a button raise, I think I jam pre here more often then fold. But I really don't like the flat OOP. Just my 2c.
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    yeah, fold or shove pre, as played you're obv check shoving the flop
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    gutsiest move i ever saw man

    Tournament poker is about surviving to the end, not guts. If you want a macho game, try MMA or sky diving.

    Seriously though, everyone has a different style and that's what this forum is for, to share the different ways others would play a hand.

    For me, I try and find spots where I am a favourite (65-35) to to win the hand, before I will committ most of my chips to a hand. There are usually better spots than 6 outs during a tournament, to get your chip in with.
  • UnknownUnknown
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Tournament poker is about surviving to the end, not guts. If you want a macho game, try MMA or sky diving.

    Seriously though, everyone has a different style and that's what this forum is for, to share the different ways others would play a hand.

    For me, I try and find spots where I am a favourite (65-35) to to win the hand, before I will committ most of my chips to a hand. There are usually better spots than 6 outs during a tournament, to get your chip in with.

    6 outs plus fold
  • HobbesHobbes
    Hobbes wrote: »
    Fancy Play Syndrome?

    See below. The check/raise on the flop is just spewey.
    Play it straight up here. A shove may get a fold pre. On the flop you are left guessing.
    djgolfcan wrote: »
    Easy fold pre-flop. Easy fold post flop.

    Villain has just stuck in 20% of his stack preflop. You are out of position, with an M of 12. You should not be getting involved in calling raises out of position at this stage.

    Flop gives you an up and down straight draw, or 8 outs, not all of which are clean as there is a flush draw on board.
    iNano78 wrote: »
    I prefer a fold or a shove pre-flop. If he happens to wake up with a big hand, it's just a cooler.
    jdAA88 wrote: »
    yeah, fold or shove pre, as played you're obv check shoving the flop
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    darbday wrote: »
    6 outs plus fold

    You can discount the fold, he's put more than half his stack in already and is getting better than 3:1 on a call with two cards coming.
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    Stop and Go anyone?
    If we are shipping here, shouldn't we give him a chance to fold by donk betting the flop? By C/R here he is absolutely committed, and really the only thing we are happy to see when he calls is a pure bluff.
    I think preflop ship/fold>flat calling, but on flop I think bet/call>check/folding or check raising
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