Thoughts Please...

reibs

Won a seat to the daily 100k so decided i would take a shot. Started off well, doubling up with QQ>JJ on a 323 flop. Then this hand came up. This guy was one of the more active at the table but we only played 16 hands up till then.

PokerStars Game #52970130337: Tournament #340011045, $150+$12 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2010/11/19 21:46:19 ET
Table '340011045 50' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: drdog8 (3593 in chips)
Seat 2: RonnieG11 (7252 in chips)
Seat 3: REEBS77 (6027 in chips)
Seat 4: nobbit (3529 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: BenBrunet (1850 in chips)
Seat 6: RjmanusMD (2695 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 7: spartak80 (2850 in chips)
Seat 8: zacknhack (4516 in chips)
Seat 9: vilela2255 (4285 in chips)
RjmanusMD: posts small blind 50
spartak80: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77
zacknhack: folds
vilela2255: raises 200 to 300
nobbit has returned
drdog8: folds
RonnieG11: folds
REEBS77: raises 500 to 800 ... comments?
nobbit: folds
BenBrunet: folds
RjmanusMD: folds
spartak80: folds
vilela2255: calls 500
*** FLOP *** [3h 5s Ah]
vilela2255: bets 800 ... I felt this bet was screaming weakness. I really felt like he had an ace like A8, A9,A10,AJ something like that, or maybe 77-99? I felt if I shoved he would have to fold unless he had AK, (maybe AQ),A3,A5,33,55,AA, or some sick combo draw. Is my thinking out of line here?
REEBS77: raises 2400 to 3200
vilela2255: raises 285 to 3485 and is all-in ....
REEBS77: calls 285
*** TURN *** [3h 5s Ah] [Js]
*** RIVER *** [3h 5s Ah Js] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
vilela2255: shows [Jh Qh] (a pair of Jacks)
REEBS77: shows (a pair of Tens)
vilela2255 collected 8720 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8720 | Rake 0
Board [3h 5s Ah Js 2s]
Seat 1: drdog8 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: RonnieG11 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: REEBS77 showed and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 4: nobbit folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BenBrunet (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: RjmanusMD (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: spartak80 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: zacknhack folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: vilela2255 showed [Jh Qh] and won (8720) with a pair of Jacks

djgolfcan

UTG+1 raise needs to be respected. I would call preflop and set mine with T-T -
He leads out on the flop for a smallish bet, either is screaming for a call due to a monster or is a feeler bet to see where his KK, QQ is and 3rd option is a draw trying to get there cheaply.

i would just call the flop bet and re-evaluate on the turn.

I hate committing myself to a pot when all I have his a pocket pair and their is an over card on the board with resistance.

Also, its real early in the tourney. there are going to be plenty of spots better than this.

Unknown

if hes calling a three bet with all those aces and leading out with them on the flop i don't believe that he'll fold any of them. i would set mined this. his flop lead suggests jj-kk alot i think

DrTyore

Results oriented justification.

Mark

moose

I find this the most frustrating aspect of MTT play currently. Players who call off their entire stack again and again. Just to go deep you have to survive so many allins and even if you are constantly getting it in as even a 80/20 favourite, after only 5 allins, statistically they are going to catch you one time and put you out. I've given up on just whistling to myself and singing that this is what makes poker so profitable because you have to wade through so many of these dumbasses that you just can't survive it. Even in a $150 tourney here, where is the skill?

Richard~

meh, guy's a noob calling 3bets light opp here. Flop raise is good as an active player's range is mostly draws and air here, and there are hardly any draws that beat you. I don't mind how you played it

Wetts1012

I like it on the flop. When he flats youre 3bet here it takes alot of hands out of his range given his stack. I mean he prob reships AK and flats only A10-AQ. I think theres alot of suited bullshit in there.

But I like flatting pre with this hand in position. I dont really like playing a bloated pot this deep when its not going to be faceup play on the flop.

Edit: read results. I had a conversation with someone at the royal after they got completely gifted a huge stack about how this shit never really happens to you but you see it all the time.

Wetts1012

Also agree with Darb here. If hes called with his A high pre, hes snapping your shove.

reibs

Preflop I raised because I had 4 people behind me. I didn't really want to bloat the pot, but I REALLY didn't want to get squeezed. If we flat pre, how are we reacting to the squeeze?

Wetts1012

reibs wrote: »

Preflop I raised because I had 4 people behind me. I didn't really want to bloat the pot, but I REALLY didn't want to get squeezed. If we flat pre, how are we reacting to the squeeze?

You shouldnt worry too much about getting squeezed here. I mean it really doesnt happen very often and alot of the time better players have avoided squeezing and only doing it with huge hands making it look like a standard squeeze. So you rarely get squeezed by a bluff.

Depending on the sizing, you have all options. Call if he squeezes like 8-900 fold if they 4x, and shovel if its benbrunet.

Also hand specifically 2 people behind you are sitting out......

reibs

Wetts1012 wrote: »

Also hand specifically 2 people behind you are sitting out......

DOH!

Okay, I will keep this in mind. Thanks for the responses guys!!

This was the first buyin for me over like $20 I think (online anyways), so it was definitely a learning experience. I think I held my own pretty good, with a few hiccups. I got to play with puffinmypurp and neverscaredb which was cool. Neither of them got any of my chips tho!!

Unknown

Wetts1012 wrote: »

Also agree with Darb here.

we're best friends now...

wildbill7145

Stalker.

Richard~

If you're worried about playing a 150 BI I would probably make it 3-3,4x pre to make villains ranges clearer post flop...just a tip

HammerDad

I call pre and set mine. While I don't mind the 3bet, villain probably isn't raise/folding ~7% of their stack pre very often. So 3betting here generally just bloats the pot and rarely are we called by anything we have crushed.

On the flop we have an over card and a flush draw and a villain who seems interested. I don't like the raise there as villain generally isn't donking over 20% of their stack light here often enough. He either has top pair, or in this case a big draw. But if you are going to raise here, I would raise to 1800-1900. That would accomplish the same if villain did happen to be betting light (like a weak ace or a JJ blocker bet) without causing myself to be pot committed to a call when they shove.

The flop raise amount was too big, forcing you call due to pot odds.

I call pre and set mine, and depending on reads either fold flop to aggression or float and hope villain slows down. As it turns out, the two hands that you could float and represent are the two hands you are affraid of most, the Ace or the flush draw. I lean towards fold flop as all we have at best right now is a naked bluff catcher.