What would you do?

Playing 2-5NL game.
get A-3 Spades 1 to the right of the button.

SB BB UTG UTG+2 and me all call for 15 preflop i dont recall who made it 15, might have been UTG

Flop
4s 9s Qd
SB & BB check
UTG bets 30 all calls.
Turn 2d
SB check
BB bet 50 all call to SB
SB goes all in for 460
BB folds while showing SB his cards
UTG folds
UTG + 2 starts compaining because BB showed cards to SB and demands to see them
FLoor comes over and actually shows the cards of 10d 8d
UTG + 2 folds exposing 10s Jh

and it is up to me.

According to my observations SB was really agressive and in was in and betting if he was in the hand.

Before the cards where exposed to me i was about 60% fold in my mind.
After they where exposed io went to 80% call.

I called and i would like to know what would you put SB on and what would you do.

Will tell results later

If it matters to you i was realy chipped up and had 2k

Comments

  • I call and say "good hand" when I miss my outs. Having said that, I am not sure I would have called pre-flop, either.
  • Assuming you need one of your 14 outs here (8 spades, 3 Aces and 3 5's) you're a 2.5:1 dog. You're getting just over 2:1 on the pot (410:850).

    The odds may be close enough for a call.

    Edit: I assumed you called, rivered your Ace to felt dude with KQ.

    Not sure i like the passive line. Just screams "DRAW"
  • so both of you put the guy on something?

    what are the chances that he had a spade draw?

    after seeing the exposed cards i put him on a spade draw with no pair
  • If I've got this right, this is a 5-way pot, so:

    Preflop: $75
    Flop: ($75) + $150
    Turn: ($225) + $50x4 + $460

    So, there is $885 in the pot, and you have to call $410 to see the river.

    Let's assume you have 8 flush out (Ts was exposed), plus all 3 additional str8 outs (5s is accounted for), so you have 11 clean outs, with 1 card to come. There is a chance your opponent is semi-bluffing with a smaller flush draw, or he flopped a set and wants to get the money in now on the draw heavy board.

    I'll let someone else do the hand ranges, as that's not really my forte, but you need to pay $410 to win a pot of $1295, so you need 31.6% equity. I'm thinking the math will lean towards a fold, but my gut is telling me I'd probably call anyways in your position.
  • DumDum wrote: »
    so both of you put the guy on something?

    what are the chances that he had a spade draw?

    after seeing the exposed cards i put him on a spade draw with no pair


    Unless the dude is a total spewtard, I think small set or some sort of Q (maybe Qx spades).

    Not sure why you put him on a spade draw after seeing the 10s mucked.

    Even if he was on a spade draw I def like his line much better and may have just picked a bad time for a semi-bluff
  • Bank i was in line with your thoughts but i could not even put him on a set.
    The flop was also draw heavy and i had to put UTG on atleast a queen to bet out.
    In his position on the flop if i had a set i would bet out against 4 players 90% of the time.
  • I tend to think he has some sort of Queen. Or he is making a play for the pot because he sensed weakness from the smallish bet from the BB and everyone just called. Screams of everyone being on a draw.

    You are getting close to the right price to call, having said that, I think I fold and wait for a better spot. Of course I am not rolled for $2/$5 so I just may be scare money :)
  • 2 Spades. Possibly the Q. any A rag combo that's suited is a decent hand to at least see a flop. Depending on how I happen to be running at the time and how deep my stack is will make the difference on weather I call here or not.
    In this case , I would probably make the call. IMO too many outs and hard to fold. I figure if I hit the ace or another spade I have him by the short and curlies.
    I will go with HOBBES and say he has at least a Q, More than likely Qs and a King or smaller like maybe 5 or 6 s.
  • I think his line fits a spade draw quite well actully, but would still lean towards a set, AQ, or Q9.

    I agree, he should probably be raising on the flop with a set, but with so much money in the pot, it's rare to get people to fold their big draws, especially since they're probably getting the right price.

    I'll often wait for a safe turn card and then get all my money in as a substantial favourite against the draws. Maybe that's too passive in many players' eyes, but it's an adjustment I made years ago after a lot of thought and am still convinced it's sound.
  • Well as i said i put him on a spade flush draw.
    The player himself did not seem very experienced and very agressive.
    The turn was a jack of clubs and he mucked 75spades and i took it down with ace high and the 4th best hand of all the players in the pot on the flop.
    I am not saying i was correct in making the call in the first place i was just wondering what other thought of the situation and how they would react.
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