3 betting in MTT/SNG
To keep it short, what spots should I be looking for to 3bet in MTT and SNG type games.. I don't think that I do it near enough and would like to start adding the 3bet to my arsenal more. Interestingly enough, I do it a lot in ring game but I haven't seemed to find the right spots to do it when I play SNG/MTT.
Same goes for 4 betting
Same goes for 4 betting
Comments
Last year at about this time when I went on a rampage(good results) I was 4 betting 10's like crazy, but that was against the right opponents mind you.:)
You don't want to do this too often, or they will pick up on it and start to four bet you light.
You mentioned you find spots in cash games. I assume you do this because you recognize tendencies and betting patterns.
MTT are absolutely no different. Pick the same spots and go.
The only factor to consider is villain stack size. Obv ur not 3 betting a 10bb stack whos just committed 2.5. Play your deepstack game the same as ring.
i came to the same conclusion when i tried to comment. Basically, when you have a hand that is stronger than the first raisers hand or his hand range you should likely 3bet. But because there are so many factors its prob better to look at other fundamentals.
just make sure your percentage is not out of line.....
mines 6% after 200 hands in a 180 man.....don't know what that means though
***** Hand History for Game 24964008212 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 24, 11:16:00 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193340760) Table 2 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: jhernon9 ( $620.00 USD )
Seat 2: AJLemma ( $1860.00 USD )
Seat 4: 5GoldenRings ( $1900.00 USD )
Seat 5: Penfold74 ( $2563.00 USD )
Seat 6: VINI_Ozone ( $1092.00 USD )
Seat 8: nyangel40 ( $1790.00 USD )
Seat 9: gworth ( $2335.00 USD )
nyangel40 posts small blind [$30.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$60.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ Qs Qc ]
jhernon9 folds
AJLemma folds
5GoldenRings folds
Penfold74 folds
VINI_Ozone raises [$180.00 USD]
nyangel40 folds
gworth raises [$450.00 USD]
VINI_Ozone folds
gworth wins $330.00 USD
gworth wins $390.00 USD from main pot
Given stacks anything is fine, you're commiting his stack even if you click it back basically. Deeper stacks usually means a bit bigger bets
I'm pretty sure 3 betting the 3rd best hand in all of poker does not have much to do with the OP
***** Hand History for Game 24992272972 ***** (Full Tilt)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, October 25, 11:00:14 ET 2010
Table 1 020 Sit Go (193550993) Table 1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: IHazNutz ( $3230.00 USD )
Seat 2: domy2 ( $8590.00 USD )
Seat 3: gworth ( $5080.00 USD )
Seat 4: jfalen ( $1715.00 USD )
Seat 7: sZ420 ( $8385.00 USD )
domy2 posts small blind [$200.00 USD].
gworth posts big blind [$400.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to gworth [ As Qh ]
jfalen raises [$1715.00 USD]
sZ420 folds
IHazNutz calls [$1715.00 USD]
domy2 folds
gworth raises [$3800.00 USD]
IHazNutz calls [$1515.00 USD]
gworth shows [As, Qh ]
jfalen shows [9h, Kh ]
IHazNutz shows [Ac, Ts ]
gworth wins $970.00 USD
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5d, Jh, Qc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 6c ]
IHazNutz wins $3030.00 USD from main pot
IHazNutz wins $5345.00 USD from main pot
It's a stt not a mtt
I pretty much pushed anyway as you can see.;)
I meant cause it was the 2 shortest stacks was it a good spot? (trying to help the o.p. here peeps, work with me!)
u don't understand the point of this thread
Apparently you don't.
Oh well, I tried Richard and syphil.
I was more looking for information on 3/4 betting in deep stack situations, not how to get it all in at a STT..
Full Tilt Poker Game #19432885276: $10 + $1 Knockout (147977653), Table 19 - 3000/6000 Ante 750 - No Limit Hold'em - 3:19:14 ET - 2010/03/21
Seat 2: ucwf123 (169,262)
Seat 3: Wetts1012 (229,018)
Seat 5: egowhips (37,839)
Seat 8: Houston Cougars (163,378)
Seat 9: Gatsu33 (326,003)
ucwf123 antes 750
Wetts1012 antes 750
egowhips antes 750
Houston Cougars antes 750
Gatsu33 antes 750
egowhips posts the small blind of 3,000
Houston Cougars posts the big blind of 6,000
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Ad 3d]
Gatsu33 folds
ucwf123 raises to 24,000
Wetts1012 raises to 64,000
egowhips folds
Houston Cougars folds
ucwf123 has 15 seconds left to act
ucwf123 folds
Uncalled bet of 40,000 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the
Full Tilt Poker Game #15238025726: $35,000 Guarantee (111547141), Table 102 - 5000/10000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:31:03 ET - 2009/10/10
Seat 1: Clarke Griswald (433,070)
Seat 2: BOBRS (199,344)
Seat 3: putter85 (332,129)
Seat 4: Quartersack (272,983)
Seat 5: 1Eye1 (185,080)
Seat 6: Ari (692,912)
Seat 7: Wetts1012 (156,238)
Seat 9: buzzley (204,284)
Clarke Griswald antes 1,000
BOBRS antes 1,000
putter85 antes 1,000
Quartersack antes 1,000
1Eye1 antes 1,000
Ari antes 1,000
Wetts1012 antes 1,000
buzzley antes 1,000
Wetts1012 posts the small blind of 5,000
buzzley posts the big blind of 10,000
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Kd Jd]
Clarke Griswald folds
BOBRS folds
putter85 folds
Quartersack folds
1Eye1 folds
Ari raises to 23,525
Wetts1012 raises to 155,238, and is all in
buzzley has 15 seconds left to act
buzzley folds
Ari folds
Uncalled bet of 131,713 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (65,050)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 65,050 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Clarke Griswald folded before the Flop
Seat 2: BOBRS folded before the Flop
Seat 3: putter85 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Quartersack folded before the Flop
Seat 5: 1Eye1 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: Ari (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Wetts1012 (small blind) collected (65,050), mucked
Seat 9: buzzley (big blind) folded before the Flop
Full Tilt Poker Game #16491112213: $12,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (121844341), Table 7 - 8000/16000 Ante 2000 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:34:50 ET - 2009/12/03
Seat 1: viju1 (320,658)
Seat 2: wonderroli (1,135,397)
Seat 3: LaaaidBak (954,689)
Seat 4: Dihxm (1,299,735)
Seat 5: Wetts1012 (528,976)
Seat 6: DirkReems (650,045)
viju1 antes 2,000
wonderroli antes 2,000
LaaaidBak antes 2,000
Dihxm antes 2,000
Wetts1012 antes 2,000
DirkReems antes 2,000
DirkReems posts the small blind of 8,000
viju1 posts the big blind of 16,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Jc Tc]
cetamua (Observer): and consistent too
wonderroli folds
JSnyder32677 (Observer): yea but he himself said
LaaaidBak raises to 37,500
Dihxm folds
JSnyder32677 (Observer): to make the final table u must be lucky
cetamua (Observer): I checked
Wetts1012 raises to 81,555
DirkReems folds
viju1 folds
cetamua (Observer): of course u need luck
OKNIC (Observer): ceta he won 100k
LaaaidBak folds
Uncalled bet of 44,055 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (111,000)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 111,000 | Rake 0
Seat 1: viju1 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: wonderroli folded before the Flop
Seat 3: LaaaidBak folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Dihxm folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Wetts1012 (button) collected (111,000), mucked
Seat 6: DirkReems (small blind) folded before the Flop
Full Tilt Poker Game #20511979459: Super Stack $15K Guarantee (157438381), Table 58 - 1200/2400 Ante 300 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:16:01 ET - 2010/05/02
Seat 1: FOOLSON (50,521)
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (259,924)
Seat 3: saxil (134,850)
Seat 4: Masterwaldi (30,692)
Seat 5: Heffman69 (210,481)
Seat 6: VLCTexas (97,292)
Seat 7: slavoy (122,944)
Seat 8: Tennessee_Ed (184,482)
Seat 9: zdad59 (145,676)
FOOLSON antes 300
Wetts1012 antes 300
saxil antes 300
Masterwaldi antes 300
Heffman69 antes 300
VLCTexas antes 300
slavoy antes 300
Tennessee_Ed antes 300
zdad59 antes 300
saxil posts the small blind of 1,200
Masterwaldi posts the big blind of 2,400
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [8h 9c]
Heffman69 folds
Masterwaldi has reconnected
VLCTexas folds
slavoy raises to 4,800
Tennessee_Ed has 15 seconds left to act
Tennessee_Ed folds
zdad59 folds
FOOLSON has been disconnected
FOOLSON folds
FOOLSON has reconnected
Wetts1012 raises to 14,400
saxil folds
FOOLSON has been disconnected
Masterwaldi folds
FOOLSON has reconnected
slavoy folds
Uncalled bet of 9,600 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (15,900)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15,900 | Rake 0
Seat 1: FOOLSON folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Wetts1012 (button) collected (15,900), mucked
Seat 3: saxil (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Masterwaldi (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Heffman69 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: VLCTexas folded before the Flop
Seat 7: slavoy folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Tennessee_Ed folded before the Flop
Seat 9: zdad59 folded before the Flop
Full Tilt Poker Game #14123270213: $10,000 Guarantee (Rebuy) (103836351), Table 43 - 6000/12000 Ante 1500 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:37:09 ET - 2009/08/18
Seat 1: Fil_inTh_Blanks (946,805)
Seat 3: HumpFreeze (472,195)
Seat 4: Wetts1012 (1,135,387)
Fil_inTh_Blanks antes 1,500
HumpFreeze antes 1,500
Wetts1012 antes 1,500
HumpFreeze posts the small blind of 6,000
Wetts1012 posts the big blind of 12,000
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012
Fil_inTh_Blanks raises to 27,500
HumpFreeze folds
Wetts1012 raises to 93,000
Fil_inTh_Blanks folds
Uncalled bet of 65,500 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (65,500)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 65,500 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Fil_inTh_Blanks (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: HumpFreeze (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Wetts1012 (big blind) collected (65,500), mucked
Full Tilt Poker Game #19234331748: $32,000 Guarantee (146223792), Table 62 - 4000/8000 Ante 1000 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:12:53 ET - 2010/03/13
Seat 1: Toad9051 (290,528)
Seat 2: kauch12 (107,163)
Seat 4: Schnorffel (209,989)
Seat 5: Ropes (206,586)
Seat 6: thordych (287,604)
Seat 8: Wetts1012 (268,664)
Seat 9: chico3993 (81,577)
Toad9051 antes 1,000
kauch12 antes 1,000
Schnorffel antes 1,000
Ropes antes 1,000
thordych antes 1,000
Wetts1012 antes 1,000
chico3993 antes 1,000
chico3993 posts the small blind of 4,000
Toad9051 posts the big blind of 8,000
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [3s 6s]
kauch12 folds
Schnorffel folds
Ropes has 15 seconds left to act
Ropes raises to 20,111
thordych folds
Wetts1012 has 15 seconds left to act
Wetts1012 raises to 62,500
chico3993 has 15 seconds left to act
chico3993 has timed out
chico3993 folds
chico3993 is sitting out
chico3993 has returned
Toad9051 has 15 seconds left to act
Toad9051 folds
Ropes has 15 seconds left to act
Ropes has requested TIME
Ropes folds
Uncalled bet of 42,389 returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 mucks
Wetts1012 wins the pot (59,222)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 59,222 | Rake 0
Seat 1: Toad9051 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: kauch12 folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Schnorffel folded before the Flop
Seat 5: Ropes folded before the Flop
Seat 6: thordych folded before the Flop
Seat 8: Wetts1012 (button) collected (59,222), mucked
Seat 9: chico3993 (small blind) folded before the Flop
...get it yet?
man have I ever been playing wrong...ok ok i think I got it now....
ya, there you go above. If you only wanted mtt (which we were trying to incorporate the hands into mtt situations) then don't fucking ask for stt's as well then.
And darbday where the hell have you been!
i work sometimes.
bwahahahaha no you don't.:p
Just saying I missed you around here:)
That's why I thanked him
I did get the point, the o.p. worded it wrong. My posts were and still are relevant.
This coming from 1 of quite a few on here that bitch there is no poker talk, yet every time someone tries you people dump all over them.
Like hello !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't think I ever once mentioned an STT, no need to get offended I just was agreeing with people that it seemed like your examples were missing the point of this thread.
Thanks a lot Wetts, those were exactly what I was looking for.. is there a % I should be trying to hover around for 3 bet % that is a good frequency or do you just feel it out at the table you're at?
Basically what I'm gathering here (is pretty obvious I guess) is that it is almost totally reliant on the player you're 3betting and their opening range/raise frequency, not that there is necessary spots/hands you should 3bet.
hmmmmmmmmm.
But you voted me as one of your fav's so all is forgiven.:)