Is this retarded??

DennisGDennisG
in General Poker Chat
After a 23 way deal, John Agelakis is the winner of the $400 NLHE Deep Stack Event at the Foxwoods World Poker Finals.

Seriously...23 way deal? wtf is the point of playing? I can see a 3..maybe 4 way....

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  • MiloMilo
    Yes.


    \.end thread.\
  • HobbesHobbes
    I thought it was a typo, but really wtf?

    One guy had 3BB and got 10k instead of the 1700 he would have gotten had he busted next.
  • DennisGDennisG
    Hobbes wrote: »
    I thought it was a typo, but really wtf?

    One guy had 3BB and got 10k instead of the 1700 he would have gotten had he busted next.

    What were the chip leaders thinking agreeing to this? Good deal for the shorts...
  • GTA PokerGTA Poker
    Yes
  • blackmagiczblackmagicz
    Didn't realize foxwood tournament fields were so soft
  • DennisGDennisG
    with chops...does every player have to agree? or a majority? or how does that work?
  • kingkao86kingkao86
    I'm pretty confident that every single player needs to agree. How the hell did this even happen.
  • TonychanmanTonychanman
    well with 23 players left, the chip leader at the time likely isn't going to be the one to take it down. i know that on full tilt when you're given the option to chop, it shows how many players have agreed to. ie 10/23 if 10 players have agreed. so with 23 players left, someone probably chose it first then it caught on, then when it was up to like 20/23 the last few may have figured that even with having a ton of chips they weren't garaunteed to take it down. still insane though... i play to win, not to chop...







    unless i'm down to <2 BB's with 20 players left
  • JtotheLewJtotheLew
    How does a conversation of a 23 way chop even come about? How do you negotiate something like this??

    This is insane
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Does it say somewhere what sort of chop it was? Don't think it was even since they played to a winner... I can't imagine a 23 way even chop... Just doesn't make any sense. I do recall a 10 way chop, (not even) at a Borgata event a couple of years ago that a friend was involved in. They worked it out prior to even dealing a hand at final. I played but didn't make final.
  • TonychanmanTonychanman
    maybe the winner was just whoever had the most chips when they decided to chop
  • HobbesHobbes
    compuease wrote: »
    Does it say somewhere what sort of chop it was? Don't think it was even since they played to a winner... I can't imagine a 23 way even chop... Just doesn't make any sense. I do recall a 10 way chop, (not even) at a Borgata event a couple of years ago that a friend was involved in. They worked it out prior to even dealing a hand at final. I played but didn't make final.

    Pretty even I'd say:

    http://www.foxwoods.com/uploadedFiles/Gaming/Poker/FWPF/2010/4-400%20No-Limit%20Holdem%20Deep%20Stack%2010-13-10.pdf
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    Yup that's pretty flat.. I would love to know what the chip distribution was, especially the smaller stacks..
    If I was one of the bigger stacks, I can't imagine agreeing unless the smaller stacks all had like at least 15BB...
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    compuease wrote: »
    Yup that's pretty flat.. I would love to know what the chip distribution was, especially the smaller stacks..
    If I was one of the bigger stacks, I can't imagine agreeing unless the smaller stacks all had like at least 15BB...

    I really don't understand who in their right mind would chop 3 ways especially 2 or 3 big stacks. Final 3 or 4 maybe and only if the chip counts were pretty close to being even.
    The shorts are probably laughing and telling everyone about the retards who did this.
    I would never agree to it.
  • clunnyclunny
    any idea what the payout structure was.......just curious
  • compueasecompuease Admin
    clunny wrote: »
    any idea what the payout structure was.......just curious

    Click on link 3 posts above yours... :)
  • HobbesHobbes
    compuease wrote: »
    Yup that's pretty flat.. I would love to know what the chip distribution was, especially the smaller stacks..
    If I was one of the bigger stacks, I can't imagine agreeing unless the smaller stacks all had like at least 15BB...

    according to 2+2 the smallest stack had 3BB and would have next out would have cashed for $1700
  • jontmjontm
    I am interviewing the winner so any fun questions I will throw at him and should have answers to exactlly how the hell this happened, lol.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    jontm wrote: »
    I am interviewing the winner so any fun questions I will throw at him and should have answers to exactlly how the hell this happened, lol.

    I want to know:

    1) How many BB did he have when the chop happened.
    2) How much he won relative to what 1st should have won.
    3) Why he hates money.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    I just clicked on Hobbes' link.

    Thats goddamn ridiculous.

    I mean the CL, assuming he had like 30-50BB could have played down to say, 10, and chopped from there for FAR more.
  • jontmjontm
    he has an utter disrespect for money, he had 2x everyone elses stack here in calgary did the same for the ring...he is a character and will be a fun one, very outspoken
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    jontm wrote: »
    he has an utter disrespect for money, he had 2x everyone elses stack here in calgary did the same for the ring...he is a character and will be a fun one, very outspoken

    Isn't this one of the requirements for being a POKER PLAYER.
    Not hate but have total disrespect for money.
    Think Doyle said something along that line at the beginning of HIGH STAKES POKER.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    HVEEPOKER wrote: »
    Isn't this one of the requirements for being a POKER PLAYER.
    Not hate but have total disrespect for money.
    Think Doyle said something along that line at the beginning of HIGH STAKES POKER.

    Taken out of context imo.

    The idea was that you have to have a disregard for losing ie. you play like the money doesnt matter if you lose in order to play optimally.

    It doesnt mean you basically GIVE away $$.

    This is completely different.
  • HVEEPOKERHVEEPOKER
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Taken out of context imo.

    The idea was that you have to have a disregard for losing ie. you play like the money doesnt matter if you lose in order to play optimally.

    It doesnt mean you basically GIVE away $$.

    This is completely different.

    Okay then.
    Just because I am a greedy Bastard, I really don't understand how all of them could come to the conclusion to chop.
    It worked out great for the Shorties . I would do it if we were down to the last 3 or 4 maybe.
    At least that many of them are kicking themselves now for doing it
    It makes sense. None of them had actually won anything yet so I guess they really didn't give away money as they didn't have it yet.
  • jontmjontm
    he actually sounded bored when he made the chop here, just wanted to go shoot dice. It's a been there done that, got the tshirt now on to the next one type attitude almost. I will ask him for sure, "why not wait for a bigger slice, what is the motivation?" It was 7 ways here and he took 5k less than first I believe, seemed far more interested in just going to do something else. Looking forward to how he answers this. He controlled that chop from start to finish, interesting to find out how he did it with 23.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    HVEEPOKER wrote: »
    None of them had actually won anything yet so I guess they really didn't give away money as they didn't have it yet.

    Its called ICM. And it defines the probabilities of how much one person busting increases your ROI.

    Short term thinkers FTW.
  • jontmjontm
    just got off the phone with John A and he has some awesome answers to what went down. Gonna talk more tomorrow, but he explains it well. Cardplayer is also doing a piece on him so gonna have to dig deep and try to measure up. Won't spoil it though, this on is for print and definitely has people talking.
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