Showing Cards in a Cash Game

Decided to give the 5/5 game a try at my local poker club which they run exclusively on a Thurs/Sun. night. Strange thing is they require a player to show their hole cards when someone is all in. What's really strange is on Sunday night when they also run 2/5, you don't have to show your hole cards in the 2/5 game, only 5/5. First time I have been forced to show hole cards in a cash game.

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  • Sounds like it is done to prevent collusion. I was there last night and it was the first time I have seen it too
  • usually I won't mind but there was a new guy at my table that is a calling station. He raises to $15 (with about $100 behind) and he gets 5 callers. I decide to bump it to $120 to isolate him (as I know he will call with any two cards) and everyone folds. I have Q10c and then get told I have to show my cards. He shows A9d, as I expected.

    Don't think I will play this game anymore, and prefer the 2/5 game. The 5/5 game was really slow and not many chips on the table. 2/5 games seems to be a lot deeper, probably because it is running most of the day by the time I get there.

    Didn't realize you played there? I usually play in the 2/5 game on Fridays. Great action. Glad to see you are back in the club scene, it hasn't been the same :)
  • the other stupid rule they have is a player from the main table cannot transfer to the second table. There were a lot more chips on the second table since a couple big stacks had left my table. I wanted to switch spots with another guy who wanted to move to my table, and they wouldn't allow it. Only one way transfers allowed.
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    the other stupid rule they have is a player from the main table cannot transfer to the second table. There were a lot more chips on the second table since a couple big stacks had left my table. I wanted to switch spots with another guy who wanted to move to my table, and they wouldn't allow it. Only one way transfers allowed.

    I think the situation here is the games are run by two different owners if I am talking about the game
  • I think the situation here is the games are run by two different owners if I am talking about the game
    If that's the case, then the owners need to get their act together or players like pokerJAH will never come back because of the stupid or inconsistent rules!
    pokerJAH wrote: »
    calling station. He raises to $15 (with about $100 behind) and he gets 5 callers. I decide to bump it to $120 to isolate him (as I know he will call with any two cards) and everyone folds. I have Q10c and then get told I have to show my cards. He shows A9d, as I expected.
    I don't understand your play. You are risking at least $120 with only QT and knowing that you have no fold equity against six other players. If you expected him to have something like A9, why would you want to raise and isolate him with QT??

    A better play would have been to flat-call. Against a calling station with only ~20 BB, you should wait for a better hand before raise/isolating him.
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    I don't understand your play. You are risking at least $120 with only QT and knowing that you have no fold equity against six other players. If you expected him to have something like A9, why would you want to raise and isolate him with QT??

    A better play would have been to flat-call. Against a calling station with only ~20 BB, you should wait for a better hand before raise/isolating him.

    With all those limpers, I wanted to either isolate w the calling station or take the hand down pre-flop. I got what I wanted and A9s was at the top of his range. 44/56 isn't bad considering. Don't you ever feel a little frisky :) btw, when are you going to return to live poker?

    You are correct, I won't play this game again, more because its a really tight game. The 2/5 game is really juicy and has a lot bigger player base. When guys call a $1k raise with a gut shot, this is the game for me !

    This club does have different 'owners' on any given night or afternoon.
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    I don't understand your play.

    /thread
  • BlondeFish wrote: »
    I don't understand your play. You are risking at least $120 with only QT and knowing that you have no fold equity against six other players. If you expected him to have something like A9, why would you want to raise and isolate him with QT??

    Because your equity and pot-odds (due to dead money in the pot) tell you it's profitable.

    This only works if all the limpers fold 100% of the time, but...

    you put in $115 to win $115 + 5*$15 = $190, so the pot odds you're laying yourself are 1.65:1. You need to win > 37.7% of the time to show a profit. Meanwhile, your equity in the hand, with QcTc vs. Ad9d, is 44.2%. Thus, popping it to $120 was +EV.

    *edit*

    In other words, you'll win $190 44.2% of the time, and you'll lose $115 55.8% of the time. That works out to an EV of +$19.81 on the bet.
  • iNano78 wrote: »
    This only works if all the limpers fold 100% of the time
    /thread
    ;)
  • its interesting how threads get off topic.....ugh.....there is a reason I didn't want to show this hand... get it?

    Also it is worth noting that causing this guy to go broke would lead to a bigger stack($1k+) coming to the table from table 2 which is ++ev. I hate when a short stack takes up a seat at a 2/5-5/5 game. Don't sit down at my table w <50bb or I will punish you.
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    the other stupid rule they have is a player from the main table cannot transfer to the second table. There were a lot more chips on the second table since a couple big stacks had left my table. I wanted to switch spots with another guy who wanted to move to my table, and they wouldn't allow it. Only one way transfers allowed.


    I am not as well travelled as some of you. Is this rule uncommon? The Casino Regina poker room has the same rule...If you are at the main game you can not go back to the secondary tables. If you chose to move, you must wait for 30 mins I think then you can go to a secondary table, but can only get in for the max bi, no matter what your stack was at the main game.
  • Sharantyr wrote: »
    I am not as well travelled as some of you. Is this rule uncommon? The Casino Regina poker room has the same rule...If you are at the main game you can not go back to the secondary tables. If you chose to move, you must wait for 30 mins I think then you can go to a secondary table, but can only get in for the max bi, no matter what your stack was at the main game.

    never heard of a 'main table' at a casino; usually you can request a table change anytime you want but must bring all the chips with you to the other table (i.e. you can't reduce your stack).
  • I agree the 2 5 game is way juicier
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    never heard of a 'main table' at a casino; usually you can request a table change anytime you want but must bring all the chips with you to the other table (i.e. you can't reduce your stack).

    Rama has a main table which keeps a game going. They have a must move list to keep that table full.

    Now back to your original question. I've never heard of having to show your cards in a cash game, however if I have the nuts at the time of all in I always show it.... if someone outdraws me that's fine they will then say I got the flush (if you have a set or straight or whatever). If I"m drawing which usually isn't the case, then I never show unless I hit something that I think is a winner.

    IN August at MGM I had the nut straight and showed, next thing is buddy showed his low end straight and the other dude showed his set.... I got everyone to show by flipping the nuts. They didn't out draw me and I got good info on how they played.
  • Never heard of a main table at a casino?

    Wat?
  • GTA Poker wrote: »
    Never heard of a main table at a casino?

    Wat?

    most casinos I have played at have a three hour waiting list so the 'main table' concept isn't really an issue when 50 players are on the list. Don't think they will move players to the 'main' table instead of just selecting from the list. I have never been asked to move tables at a casino.
  • pokerJAH wrote: »
    most casinos I have played at have a three hour waiting list so the 'main table' concept isn't really an issue when 50 players are on the list. Don't think they will move players to the 'main' table instead of just selecting from the list. I have never been asked to move tables at a casino.

    Play at 4 am on a Tuesday, there isn't much of a list then......
  • AcidJoe wrote: »
    Play at 4 am on a Tuesday, there isn't much of a list then......
    Juicy tables from around 5 to 10 am. Guys sitting all night still have their load on or are coming down . Like fishing with dynamite.
    I can see the show rule at a club especially when the stakes are a little higher. You don't want 2 or 3 guys in cahoots together.
    They raise cause they know half the table is going to call.
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