Any advice to play this hand differently?
Game Started on Sun Jan 02, 2005 @ 10:19
First hand this morning and get screwed nicely.
Looking for some other views on this one thanks.
I know i should have re-raised more preflop but was trying to milk it a bit as i know the 2 other players in are fairly weak...
Hyacinth - Holdem - NL 25 - Real Money - Hand #54668731
**Hand #54668731 begins**
Zutmin receives the dealer button
Deucehigh13 posts small blind 1
Keelah posts big blind 1
Firestopper posts 1
You are dealt[Ad,Ac]
Tjorgey folds
Spacker folds
Catchphrase folds
Txtwos raises 2
Satchel calls 2
Firestopper raises 4
Zutmin folds
Deucehigh13 folds
Keelah folds
Txtwos calls 3
Satchel calls 3
Flop is dealt [Qd,3c,9c]
Redwingg sits in
Txtwos goes all in 0
Txtwos bets 14
Satchel goes all in 0
Satchel calls 13
Firestopper calls 14
Turn is dealt [8c]
River is dealt [6d]
Firestopper shows a pair of Aces
Firestopper's pocket cards were [Ad,Ac]
Txtwos shows a flush King high
Txtwos's pocket cards were [Kc,7c]
Satchel shows a pair of Queens
Satchel's pocket cards were [Kd,Qh]
Txtwos wins $1 real money from side pot
Txtwos wins $55 real money from main pot
Redwingg sits in
**Hand #54668731 ends**
orning......
First hand this morning and get screwed nicely.
Looking for some other views on this one thanks.
I know i should have re-raised more preflop but was trying to milk it a bit as i know the 2 other players in are fairly weak...
Hyacinth - Holdem - NL 25 - Real Money - Hand #54668731
**Hand #54668731 begins**
Zutmin receives the dealer button
Deucehigh13 posts small blind 1
Keelah posts big blind 1
Firestopper posts 1
You are dealt[Ad,Ac]
Tjorgey folds
Spacker folds
Catchphrase folds
Txtwos raises 2
Satchel calls 2
Firestopper raises 4
Zutmin folds
Deucehigh13 folds
Keelah folds
Txtwos calls 3
Satchel calls 3
Flop is dealt [Qd,3c,9c]
Redwingg sits in
Txtwos goes all in 0
Txtwos bets 14
Satchel goes all in 0
Satchel calls 13
Firestopper calls 14
Turn is dealt [8c]
River is dealt [6d]
Firestopper shows a pair of Aces
Firestopper's pocket cards were [Ad,Ac]
Txtwos shows a flush King high
Txtwos's pocket cards were [Kc,7c]
Satchel shows a pair of Queens
Satchel's pocket cards were [Kd,Qh]
Txtwos wins $1 real money from side pot
Txtwos wins $55 real money from main pot
Redwingg sits in
**Hand #54668731 ends**
orning......
Comments
After the flop, you still had the best hand. The way they were betting, I would have expected at least one of them to have flopped a set. Txtwos made a pot sized bet with a lousy flush draw and a single overcard. Satchel matched it with top pair and good kicker. Neither one of these seem like good plays but I guess that depends on how they felt about the other guys in the hand.
Bad luck for you. Don't be discouraged though. Play these guys long enough and you'll take all their money.
i think i wouldve played it similary if you know these players to be extremely loose, except i wouldve raised to 6 or 8 PF
You arent trying to 'scare people out of the pot' preflop with pocket aces.
This is poor thinking.. pkrface,have you ever played poker at Party? In a $25 max buy in? The pot is about 15 bucks on the flop. Someone moves all-in for the rest $14 bucks. You've got rockets. Are you trying to imply you fold this situation? No way. Its far more likely you are up against top pair and a flush draw then up against an 8 to 1(set) occurance.
As for the hand, preflop and postflop I would play it the same. The reason you lost is because of the restricted buy-in NL format. If you had more cash in front of you, adequate hand defence is possible. But since you are limited, you need to toss in your chips and pray for no club.
Nice sentiment but you are slightly wrong. The flush draw got proper odds because of the size of the pot on the flop. In the long run, he breaks even. The guy with the KQ immediately goes on the friends list..
Small game. All other things being equal, the main error made by your opponents is probably "calling too much." So, my basic approach to this game is to "acquire the best hand cheapy and get it paid off."
Woohoo! Posted coming in and I've got A-A. They will NEVER see it coming... bwahahahahaha. Course, it's a $25 game... so, they NEVER see ANYTHING coming.
I like it. I only have two opponents. Get the pot built up a little and hope to "lock them in." Bwahahahahaha.
Good looking flop for A-A. Yes, there is a flush draw and a straight draw and yes, in a $25 game NOBODY will fold either of those draws for any amounf of money, but I still like it in the long run.
Woohoo! So much for conspiring to get their money from them. They gave it to me. I call, of course. Bwahahahahaha. Feast your eyes on my rockets, baby!
Frack. He made his flush. Oh well, more money please. Deal the next hand.
Long story made short... You could have raised a bunch more pre-flop and shut out the K7s (maybe) but in reality you got all the money in when you had almost a 60% chance of a triple through.
And to think this post started out with my first hand of the day and ended with a huge WIN!!!!I,ll try to keep a post going on the outcome of these events as they,re coming up and hopefully some good results to follow!
Pot's $15 on the flop. he moves in for $15 (easier numbers). At that point, he's only getting 1 to 1 on his money. When the next player calls his bet, the pot becomes $45 and now mr flush draw put in $15 with the pot at $45. The chance of making his flush is 35% or a little better than 2 to 1. So with a single caller and no more money at risk (he can't fold the turn or put more in for the turn) he's got his odds. When the next player calls, Mr Flush has put in $15 for a pot of $60. 2 to 1 chance and 3 to 1 pot odds = profit.
Also, his bet on the flop has potential fold equity..
So to answer your question, it appears he has the odds with a single caller. Interesting. Of course, his loose preflop call with suited crap will kill him in the long run, his post flop play seems to be good.
I definitely agree with the fold equity consideration. I guess it depends on the looseness of the table but if I were making a bet like that, I would have expected at most 1 caller. Again, it depends on the table. I don't know NL at Party so maybe that is a part I'm missing.
With 1 caller, he's about break even so I guess the bet is ok given the added fold equity component. With 2 callers it would be profitable.
I would think his pre-flop call was a very poor decision but it worked out well for him. Don't you just hate guys like that? On the other hand, you love guys that make bad decisions who don't suck out on you...
Mr KQ I think made a reasonable pre-flop call. He called a small pre-flop raise in front of him and another slightly larger one behind him with good but not great cards. I don't think that is a big problem. On the flop, however, he called an all-in with the original pre-flop raiser still behind him. Was that a questionable call? I dunno. I guess it depends on the nature of the table. After all, he had top pair with a good kicker.
I'd have to agree with what I think most of the others are saying. Yayiwin played the hand properly but just got unlucky. That's going to happen. I think the play of the other 2 players was a bit iffy (pre- and/or post-flop) and the fact that they paid him back 4x over adds a bit of evidence to this point. Is that reasonable?
We could play with the variables here a bit (betting order, stack size) and come up with different conclusions, I think.
The play pre-flop is the problem. The K-7s is a probably in trouble.
You see this A LOT in hold'em. Especially in limit. A player plays badly pre-flop and then, because of pot odds, plays well post flop. Get into a ten way capped flop with 7-2o and there are precious few flops that will not "lock you in until the river" and then you will tell yourself "I had the pot odds." The error was made pre-flop.