Home game debate?
I hosted a home game tourney format tonight... T1500 $20.00 buyin with rebuys, 15 guys showes up and when we were down to 8 guys I had 1500 with blinds at 100/200.
I got QQ on the button and 2 people limped, I raised all in and the guy in middle position asked the guy in late position if he was going to fold cause if he was going to call then he would probably fold the guy said he wasn't calling. I laughed and said you obviously can't do this, your hand is dead, he said it's not good etiquette but not against the rules at all. I said that he was smoking crack and he started calling me a whiner, blah blah..
He said why are you complaining anyways you're way ahead, as he turns over A8 offsuit, I said dude I don't care about that I want to play poker. Flop comes A8x turn and river are blanks... I shake my head and walk away while he insists his play was legal.. he begins to say he has played in a casino and done this so much.. I tell him he's obviously a liar as it is an illegal play for two players to collude on a hand against one guy.
Am I completely out of line for getting so angry about something like this at a home game? Is it more of an etiquette thing then a rule thing? I have played 1/2 NL in casino lots and never seen something as outrageous as this.. I thought about insisting the hand be blown dead but then I look like a suck because I lost it, even though I made a stink about the hand before I even seen the cards.
I got QQ on the button and 2 people limped, I raised all in and the guy in middle position asked the guy in late position if he was going to fold cause if he was going to call then he would probably fold the guy said he wasn't calling. I laughed and said you obviously can't do this, your hand is dead, he said it's not good etiquette but not against the rules at all. I said that he was smoking crack and he started calling me a whiner, blah blah..
He said why are you complaining anyways you're way ahead, as he turns over A8 offsuit, I said dude I don't care about that I want to play poker. Flop comes A8x turn and river are blanks... I shake my head and walk away while he insists his play was legal.. he begins to say he has played in a casino and done this so much.. I tell him he's obviously a liar as it is an illegal play for two players to collude on a hand against one guy.
Am I completely out of line for getting so angry about something like this at a home game? Is it more of an etiquette thing then a rule thing? I have played 1/2 NL in casino lots and never seen something as outrageous as this.. I thought about insisting the hand be blown dead but then I look like a suck because I lost it, even though I made a stink about the hand before I even seen the cards.
Comments
Your opponent was both right and wrong with his statement. What he did was bad etiquette (right), and it was against the rules (wrong).
Not sure killing his hand is the correct answer, but a penalty of some sort is definitely in order (I suggest a Bic pen to the throat).
I have never played in a game/tourney where this would be tolerated.
No, you look like someone who is trying to run a poker tourney properly. Establish the rules at the outset, then enforce them when the cards are in play. The serious players will be grateful, and the idiots will either learn or leave. Either way, your game will be better for it.
Be sure to tell folks that they aren't to be bringing along 'buddies' unless you've ok'd this. Why people don't understand that when they do this, they are in a sense 'vouching' for that person I'll never understand.
This guy shouldn't be getting an invite back for the next one.
^^^ This! plus go over them briefly before the next tournament and enforce.. You may want to point them out to ppl when they sign up as well so that they have time to read them ahead of time. There are some small differences from some casino's but not for an infraction like that.
I didn't kill his hand but really, giving him a penalty doesn't do much if the hand is live, he benefited from the information he received from the other player and made a decision based off of that information, and then doubled up and eliminated another player.
Should the eliminated player not be compensated in some way? I dunno, seems wierd if he does that and then misses a hand, it would be worth it for him todo that to win $1500 and then miss a hand or even a round.
THIS.
Not enough people have a personal sense of honour any more. truly sad. Good to how many of the guys above do though.
I'm with Moose' suggestion. Give him his buy-in back and ship him out. A warning is right if the player doesn't know what they did was wrong and it's a big tourney or if the consequence wasn't you getting busted. This guy lied and tried to support his actions. The fact that there is someone behind him in the hand is part of the strength of your shove. He can't negate that with table talk. In a perfect world you would have spiked the queen.
Conduct: Collusion with another player or any other form of cheating is not permitted.
Etiquette: The following actions are improper and grounds for warning, suspension or barring the violator:
Revealing the contents of a live hand before the betting is complete.
Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot.
Procedures: Showing cards froma live hand during the actions injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player in a multi-way pot may not show any cards during a deal.
So your villain violated good conduct, good etiquette, and you could stretch to say he violated procedures as well. He hit the trifecta, and I would not have him back at my game without a firm commitment to reform. Any further violations and I would bar him permanently.
As for compensating the victim, would it make you feel better if I held him so you could kick him in the nutz?
In a perfect world the villain would have gagged on a peanut the moment he opened his gawb . . . :mad:
well said,
If villian bitched I would have offered him his money back and told him to GTFO. If he stayed in the game but ever mentioned it again I would have silently handed him his money and simply pointed to the door. It's your game. If they want to question your authority, you don't want them there to ruin your fun.