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PokerStars Game #50227660711: Tournament #314791973, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2010/09/26 18:31:25 PT [2010/09/26 21:31:25 ET]
Table '314791973 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Pitatoe (1165 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: Antman013 (1475 in chips)
Seat 3: Buzzzardd (4035 in chips)
Seat 4: ReDONKulouso (1823 in chips)
Seat 5: forboon (1612 in chips)
Seat 6: smitts_lgp (1545 in chips)
Seat 7: Greenapple1 (640 in chips)
Seat 9: wildbill7145 (1205 in chips)
Antman013: posts small blind 25
Buzzzardd: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qd Qh]
ReDONKulouso: folds
forboon: raises 100 to 150
smitts_lgp: folds
Greenapple1: folds
wildbill7145: folds
Pitatoe: folds
Antman013: folds
smitts_lgp said, "tourney/sng here"
Buzzzardd: calls 100
*** FLOP *** [4s 6h 5s]
Buzzzardd: checks
forboon: bets 200
Buzzzardd: raises 350 to 550
forboon: ???


don't really know how to ask my question here without showing the results....but is anyone shoving here for starters?

Comments

  • VekkedVekked
    Snap shove.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Vekked wrote: »
    Snap shove.


    well thats good enough i guess for the real question which is.....what if you 'know' theres no fold equity......hes calling for sure with the same range you snap shove against....
  • UnknownUnknown
    actually maybe i just need an icm program and to become and icm monster.....i really made this call based on the fact he would fold but looking back i think he never folds....or at least id like to know the answer if he never folds do i shove....
  • JtotheLewJtotheLew
    I am inclined to say snap shove ( I also saw the hand go down ) even with what he had which is actually one of the better hands he can have on that flop ( pair with oesd ) he is ( as you figured out and I later confirmed ) still a very slight underdog to you in a race, I think you have like a 54% chance of winning that hand?

    Basically since he called your preflop raise in the small blind you have to put him on a hand like AK, AQ ( I always feel lame saying that since it is the cliche to put someone on, but really that is my opinion in this case ). I think you shove and race it out, win most of the time or you shove and he turns over a set and you call it a cooler ;)

    That being said, I am not only somewhat of a newb in general but also an even larger newb to tournement play. I would love to picked Vekkeds mind on if that play changes under any different circumstances in a tourney? Do you ever play it different in say a STT then in an MTT, or even differently depending on where you are at in an MTT?

    Might be a stupid question but I'm curious as to how the tourney strategy differs from mine (rooted in ring games mostly) on decisions within a single hand.
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    Hate that flop.
    I think you have to shove given your stack.
    He'll have combo draws all the time here. Just hope its not a huge one.
    GIven your stack and your made hand you gotta put it in. If you had over 100bbs and so did villian, I think you could get away.
  • reibsreibs
    we all know villian is a donk... get it in as fast as possible... >:D
  • UnknownUnknown
    syphilaids wrote: »
    Hate that flop.
    I think you have to shove given your stack.
    He'll have combo draws all the time here. Just hope its not a huge one.
    GIven your stack and your made hand you gotta put it in. If you had over 100bbs and so did villian, I think you could get away.

    now the question though is "even if we know hes absoulutely not planning on not folding?"
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    darbday wrote: »
    now the question though is "even if we know hes absoulutely not planning on not folding?"

    I think about 90% of the time he's not folding unless he has complete air (9T or something)
    The point is that we're low stacked and we invested enough of our stack to flip this coin.
    I'd say it's the same as saying, "preflop we know this guy has AK, so are we really going to fold our 88?" No, most of the time we are shipping with low stacks.
  • HobbesHobbes
    It's Buzzard.
    Shove while saying "See you in hell $5.50" :D
  • VekkedVekked
    darbday wrote: »
    well thats good enough i guess for the real question which is.....what if you 'know' theres no fold equity......hes calling for sure with the same range you snap shove against....

    You don't need fold equity when you're shoving for value!
  • UnknownUnknown
    Vekked wrote: »
    You don't need fold equity when you're shoving for value!


    its just that if i have a read he won't fold i can cross of alot of hands that i beat....what happens is played transparent... i have an overpair, to be ahead enough villain has to be willing to stack with a lesser hand and a draw against an over pair which he likely knows i have.

    maybe its because i could have ak aq that i can count on villain overplaying his hand


    and its alot eaiser to see it as shoving for value when he shows these cards...i think thats a laser shove by me...and have a feeling with ranges this is a tight one....thx all
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