beat: fml...

Richard~

I really don't get how you can be this bad. If you're gonna define your hand this much at least make me pay to draw out. Final two tables of my 5r on betsson. A really nice payday for first place. This one will hurt for a long time

Edit: I don't even fucking play high volume, these beats are really frequent right now

***** History for hand T5-83846592-342 (TOURNAMENT: "$12,000 NL Holdem Rebuy", R-1241-356, buy-in: $5.50) *****
Start hand: Wed Sep 22 01:53:20 GMT+0200 2010
Table: Table #54 [83846592] (NO_LIMIT TEXAS_HOLDEM 6000/12000, ante: 1200, TC)
User: Richard_5
Button: seat 4
Players in round: 7
Seat 5: Mac 73 (212682)
Seat 6: _rimsuKKAA_ (211578)
Seat 7: Richard_5 (863392)
Seat 1: StoneSpitter (257791)
Seat 2: THE GRISLEY (337638)
Seat 3: ggfavorite (148133)
Seat 4: Nirut_Silva (544022)
Mac 73 posts ante 1200
_rimsuKKAA_ posts ante 1200
Richard_5 posts ante 1200
StoneSpitter posts ante 1200
THE GRISLEY posts ante 1200
ggfavorite posts ante 1200
Nirut_Silva posts ante 1200
Mac 73 posts small blind (6000)
_rimsuKKAA_ posts big blind (12000)
---
Dealing pocket cards
Dealing to Richard_5: [:ts, :10c]
Richard_5 raises 28000 to 28000
StoneSpitter folds
THE GRISLEY folds
ggfavorite folds
Nirut_Silva raises 48000 to 48000
Mac 73 folds
_rimsuKKAA_ folds
Richard_5 calls 20000
--- Dealing flop [:10d, :3h, :5s]
Richard_5 checks
Nirut_Silva bets 96000
Richard_5 calls 96000
--- Dealing turn [:2s]
Richard_5 checks
Nirut_Silva bets 180000
Richard_5 raises 718192 to 718192 [all in]
Nirut_Silva calls 218822 [all in]
--- Dealing turn [:2s]
--- Dealing river [:ac]
---
Summary:
Main pot: 1112044 won by Nirut_Silva (1112044)
Rake taken: $0
Seat 5: Mac 73 (205482), net: -7200
Seat 6: _rimsuKKAA_ (198378), net: -13200
Seat 7: Richard_5 (319370), net: -544022, [:ts, :10c] (THREE_OF_A_KIND TEN)
Seat 1: StoneSpitter (256591), net: -1200
Seat 2: THE GRISLEY (336438), net: -1200
Seat 3: ggfavorite (146933), net: -1200
Seat 4: Nirut_Silva (1112044), net: +568022, [:ah, :ad] (THREE_OF_A_KIND ACE)
***** End of hand T5-83846592-342 *****

jdAA88

variance is sickening, geez that is ugly as it gets

JimmyHo

jdAA88 wrote: »

variance is sickening, geez that is ugly as it gets

ugly is 46 off. Don't lose sleep over 2 outers.

Richard~

pokerJAH wrote: »

ugly is 46 off. Don't lose sleep over 2 outers.

meh, easy for you to say if you're playing cashgames. This is the largest pot of the tournament after 6 hours of play and there's probably around 1000$'s of monetary EV in this pot which is a lot for me. It just sting more when villain played it like crap too ^^'

JimmyHo

Richard~ wrote: »

It just sting more when villain played it like crap too ^'

I don't think he played it crappy. He bet on the flop with an over pair and you smooth called. He continued to bet on the turn and once you push he has to call with most of his chips in the middle and an overpair. Usually these types of hands end up all-in pre-flop anyways.

How would you have played the hand differently if you had JJ-KK? I don't see you folding to that flop or turn bet. He just got lucky with the river.

Richard~

pokerJAH wrote: »

I don't think he played it crappy. He bet on the flop with an over pair and you smooth called. He continued to bet on the turn and once you push he has to call with most of his chips in the middle and an overpair. Usually these types of hands end up all-in pre-flop anyways.

How would you have played the hand differently if you had JJ-KK? I don't see you folding to that flop or turn bet. He just got lucky with the river.

His play postflop doesn't matter in this case, he's gonna bet bet bet or call anything I raise cause he's that kind of straightforward low level thinker from what I've seen. I really only have a problem with his 3bet pre which basically forces me to setmine vs him with great implied odds. If he'd make a normal sized 3bet I'd probably find the fold button in this tournament (I opr players to determine my standard lines vs them).

Also if I had jacks in this spot I'd check call flop check fold turn cause his range is so nut heavy and I don't need to stack off marginally when there are as many short stacks ready to bust as there are. Kings and queens I'm getting in pre no matter what but that holds true even if he makes a normal 3bet. Minraising pre with a big pair given stacksizes is just terrible against a player like me imo due to the horrible reverse implied odds he's laying himself.

JimmyHo

no mention of "straightforward low level thinker" in opening post. Granted, the pre-flop reraise was weak and your call was justified. You got your chips in way ahead on the turn and there's not much more you can ask for. Me I probably bet on the flop, hope he comes over the top, and I would likely be all-in pre-turn. If you expect him to continuation bet, I would still re-raise on the flop. No change in ultimate outcome.

djgolfcan

So you hit a two outter on him on the flop and he got his two outter on the river. It's a cooler not a bad beat. No way is he folding his Aces and you wouldn't want him to. And, I think you want him to give you those reverse implied odds so you can set mine against him.

This sucks, but you wouldn't have wanted him to play the hand any other way.

jdAA88

It's def a bad beat.
And I would have played it the exact same way, don't really like the way you would play the hand pokerjah, I think you need to remember that this is a $5r.

Richard~

djgolfcan wrote: »

This sucks, but you wouldn't have wanted him to play the hand any other way.

I didn't say that, I just said it sucks cause his play and situational analysis is so far below mine that he should just hand me his chips as soon as he sits down at my table and save time lol

compuease

Richard~ wrote: »

I didn't say that, I just said it sucks cause his play and situational analysis is so far below mine that he should just hand me his chips as soon as he sits down at my table and save time lol

I don't see this as all that bad in a single cased incident.. Can't really fault either of you...

My table in a $340 Venetian tournament a few days ago. Two very big stacks (>100BB), about 2 tables left. EP limps with 99, LP raises with QQ about pot I think. EP calls, flop q,9, rag. Of course they get it all in for more than 200BB, turn blank, river 9. Sickening... I even felt it in the gut... Online you just start up another tournament. Live? well you try to avoid the dry heaves..

Richard~

compuease wrote: »

I don't see this as all that bad in a single cased incident.. Can't really fault either of you...

My table in a $340 Venetian tournament a few days ago. Two very big stacks (>100BB), about 2 tables left. EP limps with 99, LP raises with QQ about pot I think. EP calls, flop q,9, rag. Of course they get it all in for more than 200BB, turn blank, river 9. Sickening... I even felt it in the gut... Online you just start up another tournament. Live? well you try to avoid the dry heaves..

I get that but that's a different scenario, when QQ raises pot he doesn't really flip his hand face up and declares he's never folding after the flop. I'm saying he played like a fish preflop, not that it's not a cooler for him and a bad beat for me postflop

djgolfcan

Richard~ wrote: »

I didn't say that, I just said it sucks cause his play and situational analysis is so far below mine that he should just hand me his chips as soon as he sits down at my table and save time lol

LOL !! Love it.