spew?
Sorry if this seems automatic, but I want to know...Villian was like 13/8 over about 150 hands.
PokerStars Game #49239766398: Tournament #329010381, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2010/09/06 19:16:15 ET
Table '329010381 122' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Fumblinwzdom (87268 in chips)
Seat 2: The1leonidas (91050 in chips)
Seat 3: kmag49 (7272 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: HAZZZZA (62923 in chips)
Seat 5: gungunders (127672 in chips)
Seat 6: delio44 (51605 in chips)
Seat 7: REEBS77 (55882 in chips)
Seat 8: sergo_0880 (51468 in chips)
Seat 9: ty4thecall (136790 in chips)
Fumblinwzdom: posts the ante 125
The1leonidas: posts the ante 125
kmag49: posts the ante 125
HAZZZZA: posts the ante 125
gungunders: posts the ante 125
delio44: posts the ante 125
REEBS77: posts the ante 125
sergo_0880: posts the ante 125
ty4thecall: posts the ante 125
HAZZZZA: posts small blind 600
gungunders: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77 [Ac Ad]
delio44: folds
REEBS77: raises 1799 to 2999
sergo_0880: folds
ty4thecall: folds
Fumblinwzdom: calls 2999
The1leonidas: folds
kmag49: folds
HAZZZZA: calls 2399
gungunders: calls 1799
*** FLOP *** [Jc Th 9d]
HAZZZZA: bets 7200
gungunders: folds
REEBS77: raises 45558 to 52758 and is all-in ..... I hated the flop, but are we EVER getting away here? I think this is the best line, but the flop is so nasty for a multi-way pot, Im just not sure...
PokerStars Game #49239766398: Tournament #329010381, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2010/09/06 19:16:15 ET
Table '329010381 122' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Fumblinwzdom (87268 in chips)
Seat 2: The1leonidas (91050 in chips)
Seat 3: kmag49 (7272 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: HAZZZZA (62923 in chips)
Seat 5: gungunders (127672 in chips)
Seat 6: delio44 (51605 in chips)
Seat 7: REEBS77 (55882 in chips)
Seat 8: sergo_0880 (51468 in chips)
Seat 9: ty4thecall (136790 in chips)
Fumblinwzdom: posts the ante 125
The1leonidas: posts the ante 125
kmag49: posts the ante 125
HAZZZZA: posts the ante 125
gungunders: posts the ante 125
delio44: posts the ante 125
REEBS77: posts the ante 125
sergo_0880: posts the ante 125
ty4thecall: posts the ante 125
HAZZZZA: posts small blind 600
gungunders: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77 [Ac Ad]
delio44: folds
REEBS77: raises 1799 to 2999
sergo_0880: folds
ty4thecall: folds
Fumblinwzdom: calls 2999
The1leonidas: folds
kmag49: folds
HAZZZZA: calls 2399
gungunders: calls 1799
*** FLOP *** [Jc Th 9d]
HAZZZZA: bets 7200
gungunders: folds
REEBS77: raises 45558 to 52758 and is all-in ..... I hated the flop, but are we EVER getting away here? I think this is the best line, but the flop is so nasty for a multi-way pot, Im just not sure...
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i just think the key to proceeding is to allow worse hands in without letting them draw too cheap. a 12/8 guy over 150 betting from the blinds on that board would put me in the tank. i think my image is usually strong enough that if i re raise he'll need a hand to continue betting.
Edit: missed the four player in the pot....
The bet made post flop by HAZZZA is less than half the pot and looks like a probe bet to see where they are and I would put them on a draw or top pair. This is a very wet board and one that needs to be played catiously in a tournament.
There are some players online who will chase their open ended straight draw to their death and given the stacks, most at this table can afford to take the hit to their stack if they miss. By going all in, you are only going to get called by hands that are ahead now, or will be ahead if they hit their outs for their straight or two pair or trips.
As pretty as Aces look, they are still only one pair. Not worth risking your tournament life against 2 other callers. Someone may already have the straight, someone may have trips or two pair already.
I would raise the flop bet to $15k and see what they do next, if they shove, fold - you have plenty of chips and would be out if you call and lose.
This is one of those flops that I would play Aces more cautiously than most.
This is the worst flop for you. Only thing worse if it was all spades. Given he's tight, I'm assuming he has either has 2 pair, set, or combo draw. We can throw in AJ and KJ for good measure too, which really is the best case scenario for us here.
At these stakes, ESPECIALLY with a villian behind you, and considering we haven't seen him show down before, I think this is a fold. We are flipping a lot, beat a lot, and ahead very little. If you had less chips it'd be an easy ship, but with our M > 20 after we fold I think it's a solid move to do so.
Honestly, this is my mistake, but I have no clue how often he has donk bet. I didnt check PT3 at the time and I was not paying THAT good of attention. Things to remember in the future I guess...
Also, this was hindsight, but he has a few big mtt scores on his resume. Didnt know that till this morning though.
Really? hmmm... well what if a brick comes and he shoves/commits himself with a bet? I would think thats an even worse spot to be in, no?
Meh.
Do we get bluffed by QJ here sometimes? Sure.
Are we crushed most of the time? I think so.
Its a pretty simple stove of hands that flat pre and lead flops. Run those through and I struggle to think of hands other than QJ, Q10 that we arent drawing super thin against.
Its a worse spot in the sense that you're behind even more often when he does that, but that just makes it an easier fold. Shoving pretty muchjust forces them to continue with better hands. Agree with wetts.
really, a guy who is 13/8 I don't see playing qj, q10, but he will be playing kq.
Meh, QJ is like the nuts here vs. any reasonable range. 13/8 isn't THAT tight, and who knows how he plays post flop in multi-way pots.
I'd say JTs and J9s are his most common hands by far, next being like 99 and T9s. Those hands make more sense to lead than KQ since KQ has way less bad turn cards if it's checked through 4-ways.
Yeah, I wasnt trying to argue, just to understand. Thanks guys.
Like I said, I really hated the flop, but I convinced myself that this guy (forgot to mention his agg factor was not very high at all - cant remember the exact value and not in pt3 right now) was not very aggressive, so if he flopped two pair or better he would check raise me. I was hoping that he would show up with AJ/KJ/QJ type hands. even QT would have been fine. lol
Boy did I hate myself after this one, mainly since my first instinct was to fold to the bet...
The result of the hand is as follows:
>*** FLOP *** [Jc Th 9d]
>HAZZZZA: bets 7200
>gungunders: folds
>REEBS77: raises 45558 to 52758 and is all-in
>Fumblinwzdom: folds
>HAZZZZA: calls 45558
>*** TURN *** [Jc Th 9d] [4c]
>*** RIVER *** [Jc Th 9d 4c] [7s]
>*** SHOW DOWN ***
>HAZZZZA: shows [9h Td] (two pair, Tens and Nines)
>REEBS77: shows [Ac Ad] (a pair of Aces)
>HAZZZZA collected 118637 from pot
>REEBS77 finished the tournament in 77th place and received $29.87.
>*** SUMMARY ***
>Total pot 118637 | Rake 0
>Board [Jc Th 9d 4c 7s]
>Seat 1: Fumblinwzdom folded on the Flop
>Seat 2: The1leonidas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 3: kmag49 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 4: HAZZZZA (small blind) showed [9h Td] and won (118637) with two
>pair, Tens and Nines
>Seat 5: gungunders (big blind) folded on the Flop
>Seat 6: delio44 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 7: REEBS77 showed [Ac Ad] and lost with a pair of Aces
>Seat 8: sergo_0880 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
>Seat 9: ty4thecall folded before Flop (didn't bet)
true dat! I was just thinking in general,lol
Table '309461083 1' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: v_nikolas82 (1330 in chips)
Seat 2: monkeyskunk4 (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: klop0007 (1580 in chips)
Seat 4: pokergigi978 (1470 in chips)
Seat 5: romik2305 (1360 in chips)
Seat 6: itox969 (1860 in chips)
Seat 7: LuckySAVAS (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: w-jangle (1620 in chips)
Seat 9: PHILLIIVEY1 (1500 in chips)
itox969: posts small blind 10
LuckySAVAS: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PHILLIIVEY1 [Ac Ah]
w-jangle: raises 80 to 100
PHILLIIVEY1: raises 220 to 320
v_nikolas82: folds
monkeyskunk4: folds
klop0007: folds
pokergigi978: folds
romik2305: folds
itox969: folds
LuckySAVAS: folds
w-jangle: calls 220
*** FLOP *** [6c 3d 7d]
w-jangle: bets 1300 and is all-in
PHILLIIVEY1: calls 1180 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (120) returned to w-jangle
*** TURN *** [6c 3d 7d] [7c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 3d 7d 7c] [Th]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
w-jangle: shows [Qd Ad] (a pair of Sevens)
PHILLIIVEY1: shows [Ac Ah] (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
PHILLIIVEY1 collected 3030 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3030 | Rake 0
Board [6c 3d 7d 7c Th]
Seat 1: v_nikolas82 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: monkeyskunk4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: klop0007 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: pokergigi978 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: romik2305 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: itox969 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: LuckySAVAS (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: w-jangle showed [Qd Ad] and lost with a pair of Sevens
Seat 9: PHILLIIVEY1 showed [Ac Ah] and won (3030) with two pair, Aces and Sevens
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whoa, must be the weather, everyone is not with it.
Ummmmm no, I was just thinking of you,lol I am like, that's almost the same situation as reibs.:)
I am struggling to find the similarities here Philli... lol ... you won, I lost. You were heads up, mine was multi-way. you made a good call against a donkey overshove, i made a stupid shove against a perfect donk bet.
GRRRRRRRRR.... >:D
Were all too weak to fold aces on a very drawy flop perhaps;).
Don't worry, the Ivey effect poker lessons are coming soon.......:wink2:
thank the lord. sign me up. :laugh:
obv, thats why he's the greatest...