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PokerStars Game #48987854332: Tournament #328010423, $5.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/09/01 12:19:26 PT [2010/09/01 15:19:26 ET]
Table '328010423 159' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: CUBS 911 (12655 in chips)
Seat 2: psychosphere (9659 in chips)
Seat 3: TARARIMBY (10320 in chips)
Seat 4: Troglord (20254 in chips)
Seat 5: forboon (14768 in chips)
Seat 6: lucky2029 (13403 in chips)
Seat 7: elmuerto73 (6624 in chips)
Seat 8: D'wilius (12119 in chips)
Seat 9: snoxx1 (14623 in chips)
CUBS 911: posts the ante 50
psychosphere: posts the ante 50
TARARIMBY: posts the ante 50
Troglord: posts the ante 50
forboon: posts the ante 50
lucky2029: posts the ante 50
elmuerto73: posts the ante 50
D'wilius: posts the ante 50
snoxx1: posts the ante 50
elmuerto73: posts small blind 200
D'wilius: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Kh As]
snoxx1: folds
CUBS 911: calls 400
psychosphere: folds
TARARIMBY: folds
Troglord: folds
forboon: raises 1200 to 1600
lucky2029: folds
elmuerto73: folds
D'wilius: folds
CUBS 911: calls 1200
*** FLOP *** [7d Jh 4d]
CUBS 911: bets 1200
forboon: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [7d Jh 4d] [Ah]
CUBS 911: bets 4000
forboon: raises 5200 to 9200
CUBS 911: raises 605 to 9805 and is all-in
forboon: calls 605
*** RIVER *** [7d Jh 4d Ah] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
CUBS 911: shows [7h 7s] (three of a kind, Sevens)
forboon: shows [Kh As] (a pair of Aces)
CUBS 911 collected 26260 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 26260 | Rake 0
Board [7d Jh 4d Ah 8h]
Seat 1: CUBS 911 showed [7h 7s] and won (26260) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: psychosphere folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: TARARIMBY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Troglord folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: forboon showed [Kh As] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: lucky2029 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: elmuerto73 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: D'wilius (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: snoxx1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


was that okay?

Comments

  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    first, don't post results, it'll effect people's opinions.

    Not saying this is the right play, but on the flop I probably raise. Something like 3400. It's enough to show him we're serious but we will still can get away from it.
    It's a pretty dry flop and it looks like he's trying to steal the pot from you. If he flat calls then I'm shipping the turn when it hits, taking a free card if it doesn't. If he ships the flop we can fold.

    As played, I don't think you can really flat call. Not only does it give away our hand, but We don't have the odds to hit our turn here, so my play is to raise or fold villian dependant.
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    Line looks OK. Im likely raising flop tho.
  • UnknownUnknown
    syphilaids wrote: »
    first, don't post results, it'll effect people's opinions.

    Not saying this is the right play, but on the flop I probably raise. Something like 3400. It's enough to show him we're serious but we will still can get away from it.
    It's a pretty dry flop and it looks like he's trying to steal the pot from you. If he flat calls then I'm shipping the turn when it hits, taking a free card if it doesn't. If he ships the flop we can fold.

    As played, I don't think you can really flat call. Not only does it give away our hand, but We don't have the odds to hit our turn here, so my play is to raise or fold villian dependant.

    i post the results because the set is significant, its kinda the question on how we can get away from it without losing value against hands we beat. If i bet i think im worried about an expensive re raise which the villain can do with pairs sets but flush draws, ak, and a lot of time air (missed broadway). so i check because the villain bets alot with hands i beat and hands that i can draw to 6 outs with.

    any missed pairs fold to a bet but sometimes raise on a flop like this

    i think i have to give up on the hand if he smooth calls and i don't hit an ace or a king....and also if i smooth call but i get make the call on a equal or smaller bet
  • UnknownUnknown
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Im likely raising flop tho.

    ive gotten the impression this is how you brush your teeth and open doors etc. but if my play isn't outa line im ok with it...ill consider the raise from these two opinions...
  • Richard~Richard~
    Yup, people limp around like fools and you just throw a bunch of chips in there for the fun of it. Next hand people minraise around to you and you throw a lot of extra chips in there. It's the best way to brush your teeth and open doors =)
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    darbday wrote: »
    i post the results because the set is significant, its kinda the question on how we can get away from it without losing value against hands we beat.

    The results here are insignificant. You can post results after you get a few comments. The question was on your line of play. Sure, Sets are in his range, as well as a lot of air. Knowing he has a set people can say "don't call when he has a set" etc.
    I personally had to think twice about what I would do knowing that villian has a set.
    darbday wrote: »
    If i bet i think im worried about an expensive re raise which the villain can do with pairs sets but flush draws, ak, and a lot of time air (missed broadway). so i check because the villain bets alot with hands i beat and hands that i can draw to 6 outs with

    I assume you mean flat call, as he donk bet at you here.
    Obviously you're worried about a 3bet on the flop, but a lot of times you'll take down the pot with a raise here to make the raise profitable. If you flat call here and he double barrels when you miss, are you goign to call? What if he is betting bottom or mid pair? If he checks the turn do you bet? If you raise the flop can he really call?
    Your flat looks weak here. You want to play aggressive in this spot IMO.

    The fact that he bets here with a lot of missed hands is enough reason to pop it up. You may be bluffing with the best hand.

    darbday wrote: »
    any missed pairs fold to a bet but sometimes raise on a flop like this

    i think i have to give up on the hand if he smooth calls and i don't hit an ace or a king....and also if i smooth call but i get make the call on a equal or smaller bet

    Yeah you have to give up if he flats, unless you hit the turn of course. However, if he flats the flop, he will usually check the turn unless he improves, giving you a chance to see a free river.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    darbday wrote: »

    was that okay?

    No - and here's why...

    You selfish selfish boy! Always thinking only of yourself!!

    The flop is Jack high - so his bet is going to mean one of three things:

    A: He's hit something he's REALLY happy with

    - he limps UTG, and then calls a 4x raise - what hands does one do this with?

    - He bets out on that flop, which has potentially a flush forming - is he betting the draw, hoping that you'll go on the defensive? Or was he protecting something.

    - He sees the turn for no extra money, none of the draws get there, and he bets again, 4k into a pot of ~5.6k? Is that a number that's asking you to fold? Maybe, but wait!! An ACE dropped, and you raised PF - Surely he has to think you MAY have one? Why would he bet then? Does he have AJ? Jx for 2 pair? Is he really still betting a draw here? The answers are (in order) He's hoping, Value, Maybe, and no.

    B: He's trying to bluff you off with his draw.

    - No, see above.

    C: He's borderline pervasive developmental disorder, and someone set up an account for him in an elaborate ploy to take all his money.

    - Maybe....

    Mark
  • reibsreibs
    DrTyore wrote: »
    - He sees the turn for no extra money, none of the draws get there, and he bets again, 4k into a pot of ~5.6k? Is that a number that's asking you to fold? Maybe, but wait!! An ACE dropped, and you raised PF - Surely he has to think you MAY have one? Why would he bet then? Does he have AJ? Jx for 2 pair? Is he really still betting a draw here? The answers are (in order) He's hoping, Value, Maybe, and no.

    FAIL - 5 Qs, 4 As .... :biggrin2:
  • VekkedVekked
    Agree with Wetts I think. Raising flop and shutting down from there if he continues. People's donking range is so hard to assign, but I think it's weak more often than strong. I mean sure he hit a set this time but w/e I think most donk leads are weak rather than strong. Trying to put someone who limps UTG and calls a 4x with 30BB eff on a hand is probably a waste of time in the context of a hand history. Reads/stats help a lot in these spots but generally his range is suited napkins, pairs and high cards.
  • Richard~Richard~
    misread stacks, I don't think I like to raise the flop here, it's too easy for him to 3bet draws on us. If I really think he's out of line I'll raise (shove?) turn (most turns) most likely. It's obviously a higher varience play but it works a bunch
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