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UnknownUnknown
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Hello,
I have been playing for free at a bar that hosts red hot poker and every time i'm buying a drink or two to help support the bar its being played at. Tonight I was asked if I wanted anything, and I replied " no I left my debit card at home". They told me that I HAVE to buy something in order to stay. I was extremly upset and from what i have been told the laws are the bar cannot make money off the poker. By making everyone buy something they are making money off the event. I have been to other free poker events and they did not tell me I had to buy anything, but it is a kind jester because the bar is useing up space to host the event. Can anyone help me out with this ? I don't know the official rules regulations on free poker but I'm pretty positive the bar can't make you buy something so they can make money on the event. Any thoughts?

Thanks Luke

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  • UnknownUnknown
    at my old job they couldn't fire you for testing positive for thc, but they could ban you from entering the property
  • Richard~Richard~
    Luke wrote: »
    Any thoughts?

    Very tactless by them, probably not illegal as they're not profiting from the poker itself. Douche move though, what they should have done was to say that they encourage you to buy something to support them for the pokergame or something, that way noone gets upset and you'll probably do it next time. I mean it's so obvious that if you don't have any money on you you can't buy anything...sigh
  • reibsreibs
    Luke wrote: »
    Hello,
    I have been playing for free at a bar that hosts red hot poker and every time i'm buying a drink or two to help support the bar its being played at. Tonight I was asked if I wanted anything, and I replied " no I left my debit card at home". They told me that I HAVE to buy something in order to stay. I was extremly upset and from what i have been told the laws are the bar cannot make money off the poker. By making everyone buy something they are making money off the event. I have been to other free poker events and they did not tell me I had to buy anything, but it is a kind jester because the bar is useing up space to host the event. Can anyone help me out with this ? I don't know the official rules regulations on free poker but I'm pretty positive the bar can't make you buy something so they can make money on the event. Any thoughts?

    Thanks Luke

    Thats unfortunate, cus I used to play these red hot events and never really bought much more than pop. Im not a huge drinker at all, let alone when Im playing cards. I always felt these red hot events were good practice for beginners to live play, but if they are forcing u to drink, that would definitely turn me off from going back.
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    Guess I'm the only one who thinks it's not unreasonable.....I mean, you don't have to buy an alcoholic beverage, just a pop is probably fine.

    If it's my bar, I'd be expecting at least that. Don't think it's too unreasonable.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    It is illegal

    Not overly enforced, but technically against the law.

    Mark
  • iNano78iNano78
    In terms of the house profiting, one could argue that they can't force you to buy something in order to play poker. On the other hand, they can ask you to leave if you're loitering... for example, if the bar wasn't hosting poker and you were just sitting there with no intention of buying anything, they definitely have the right to ask you to leave (without a further reason). It isn't a public place; its a private establishment.
  • reibsreibs
    iNano78 wrote: »
    In terms of the house profiting, one could argue that they can't force you to buy something in order to play poker. On the other hand, they can ask you to leave if you're loitering... for example, if the bar wasn't hosting poker and you were just sitting there with no intention of buying anything, they definitely have the right to ask you to leave (without a further reason). It isn't a public place; its a private establishment.

    While I agree with this, I still think its in the owner's best interest to allow all players (buying food, drinks, whatever) that show up to play poker, be allowed to stay. I may be wrong, but is the reason they host these games not to draw more people in?

    Obviously they must know coming in that there will be some players that do not plan on spending any money while there. I think its foolish for the owner to kick him out when who knows, he could be the DD for his three buddies at the next table over, who were willing to drop 100 bucks each pounding back the bud with limes?
  • 800OVER800OVER
    DrTyore wrote: »
    It is illegal

    Not overly enforced, but technically against the law.

    Mark

    It's either illegal before this situation or not. Ie the bar understands they make a profit by attracting players who will buy a drink (which is illegal or it isn't) but forcing a guy to buy a drink if he wants to play poker doesn't change anything.
  • TonychanmanTonychanman
    you should have asked to talked to the manager, let them know that you are a regular customer and usually buys drinks, and with this kind of attitude you won't come back and tell others you know about your bad experience. if you're willing to go the distance, you can even petition outside, or just threaten to.
  • iNano78iNano78
    reibs wrote: »
    While I agree with this, I still think its in the owner's best interest to allow all players (buying food, drinks, whatever) that show up to play poker, be allowed to stay. I may be wrong, but is the reason they host these games not to draw more people in?

    Obviously they must know coming in that there will be some players that do not plan on spending any money while there. I think its foolish for the owner to kick him out when who knows, he could be the DD for his three buddies at the next table over, who were willing to drop 100 bucks each pounding back the bud with limes?

    Don't get me wrong. I completely agree with you. I think the owner (or bartender or waitress or whoever it was) that asks you to leave if you aren't going to buy a drink is definitely not acting in the best interests of the establishment. I was merely commenting on whether or not the bartender has the legal right to say "buy something or leave". In terms of legalities, I don't think it matters that there's a poker game going on. They can ask you to leave. Whether or not it's smart or polite or going to win more customers (vs. cost them money/clientele) in the long run is a completely different topic.
  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    800OVER wrote: »
    It's either illegal before this situation or not. Ie the bar understands they make a profit by attracting players who will buy a drink (which is illegal or it isn't) but forcing a guy to buy a drink if he wants to play poker doesn't change anything.

    I wasn't clear...

    It is all illegal - all bar based games run the potential of police coming and shutting it down / laying charges.

    Mark
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    DrTyore wrote: »
    I wasn't clear...

    It is all illegal - all bar based games run the potential of police coming and shutting it down / laying charges.

    Mark

    You can play bar games without it being illegal. By this comment Keno is then illegal in bars.

    A free poker game with prizes is legal.
  • moosemoose
    Keno is illegal. I don't get your point.
  • UnknownUnknown
    moose wrote: »
    Keno is illegal. I don't get your point.


    ok so if i know someone who is playing keno, and i don't turn them in, can i be charged as an accomplice? What if i know many keno players, they can't charge me for knowing all of them? What if i just say i didn't know it was wrong?
  • DennisGDennisG
    Bar games are a very gray area, but still legal if done correctly. Everyone in the bar has to have the option to play, for free, and have the same opportunities as someone who buys drinks or meals.

    Comments like "you have to buy a drink" from the establishment can get the game shut down in a hurry if a player contacts the gaming commission or the liquor control board.

    We work hand in hand with BCLC and the liquor control board out here to ensure our games are run properly. (ie: still in the gray area..lol)
  • moosemoose
    ok so if i know someone who is committing murder, and i don't turn them in, can i be charged as an accomplice? What if i know many murderers, they can't charge me for knowing all of them? What if i just say i didn't know it was wrong?

    Does this have anything to do with OP?
  • screenmanscreenman
    The law says there must be three elements to make it gambling. Wager Chance Prize. There is no wager in the free bar leagues. We can play poker on the Queens Park Lawn if no one is taking a rake or making a profit. (We may get arrested for loitering). We should be able to play a real cash game in a bar by the law, but the AGCO says that the bar is making a profit from the game by selling them food and drink. The threat is not to the patrons but the threat of license suspension. With the AGCO license suspension immediate and you can prove us wrong at a hearing in the not too soon future. Many would like to see that challenged in court but no bar wants to take the risk.
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