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pocket qq's gettin deep

UnknownUnknown
in MTT Strategy
i think this is literally the first hand the villain has been at this table. so much i beat so much i lose too.....


PokerStars Game #48361799080: Tournament #300904964, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (5000/10000) - 2010/08/19 0:22:14 PT [2010/08/19 3:22:14 ET]
Table '300904964 188' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: RE Rounder (540074 in chips)
Seat 2: piqapiq (235738 in chips)
Seat 4: ThisIsTheSea (224219 in chips)
Seat 5: 9atwater (186619 in chips)
Seat 6: --T--212-- (111582 in chips)
Seat 7: MTYardDog (565302 in chips)
Seat 8: forboon (256060 in chips)
Seat 9: younker (732911 in chips)
RE Rounder: posts the ante 1250
piqapiq: posts the ante 1250
ThisIsTheSea: posts the ante 1250
9atwater: posts the ante 1250
--T--212--: posts the ante 1250
MTYardDog: posts the ante 1250
forboon: posts the ante 1250
younker: posts the ante 1250
MTYardDog: posts small blind 5000
forboon: posts big blind 10000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qs Qd]
younker: raises 20000 to 30000
guera_1st is connected
RE Rounder: folds
piqapiq: folds
ThisIsTheSea: folds
9atwater: folds
--T--212--: folds
MTYardDog: folds
forboon: calls 20000
*** FLOP *** [Th Ts 7h]
forboon: checks
younker: bets 10000
forboon: calls 10000
*** TURN *** [Th Ts 7h] [8s]
forboon: bets 20000
younker: raises 671661 to 691661 and is all-in
forboon: ???


can i muster a call?

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  • DrTyoreDrTyore
    darbday wrote: »
    i think this is literally the first hand the villain has been at this table. so much i beat so much i lose too.....


    PokerStars Game #48361799080: Tournament #300904964, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXX (5000/10000) - 2010/08/19 0:22:14 PT [2010/08/19 3:22:14 ET]
    Table '300904964 188' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
    Seat 1: RE Rounder (540074 in chips)
    Seat 2: piqapiq (235738 in chips)
    Seat 4: ThisIsTheSea (224219 in chips)
    Seat 5: 9atwater (186619 in chips)
    Seat 6: --T--212-- (111582 in chips)
    Seat 7: MTYardDog (565302 in chips)
    Seat 8: forboon (256060 in chips)
    Seat 9: younker (732911 in chips)
    RE Rounder: posts the ante 1250
    piqapiq: posts the ante 1250
    ThisIsTheSea: posts the ante 1250
    9atwater: posts the ante 1250
    --T--212--: posts the ante 1250
    MTYardDog: posts the ante 1250
    forboon: posts the ante 1250
    younker: posts the ante 1250
    MTYardDog: posts small blind 5000
    forboon: posts big blind 10000
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to forboon [Qs Qd]
    younker: raises 20000 to 30000
    guera_1st is connected
    RE Rounder: folds
    piqapiq: folds
    ThisIsTheSea: folds
    9atwater: folds
    --T--212--: folds
    MTYardDog: folds
    forboon: calls 20000
    *** FLOP *** [Th Ts 7h]
    forboon: checks
    younker: bets 10000
    forboon: calls 10000
    *** TURN *** [Th Ts 7h] [8s]
    forboon: bets 20000
    younker: raises 671661 to 691661 and is all-in
    forboon: ???


    can i muster a call?

    BAD BOY! BAD!! Raise this 10000% of the time!

    A: You're in the BB, it looks like a defend / resteal
    B: You don't know him, he don't know you
    C: YOU HAVE FUCKING QQ!!

    So, before I look past pre-flop, you deserve to lose this hand right now.

    EDIT: I just realized this guy bet 1/7 of the pot? You need to re-pop here 100000% of the time, because he's going to let you find out nice and cheap (i.e. go to 40k, which should have been his bet first off, and you get information or the pot).

    Now, to move on....

    *** FLOP *** [Th Ts 7h]
    forboon: checks
    younker: bets 10000
    forboon: calls 10000

    Fuck that's bad - I don't care if you bet out or if you check / raise him, but this is the 2nd worst thing you can do - the worst being check / fold.

    Onto the turn

    *** TURN *** [Th Ts 7h] [8s]
    forboon: bets 20000
    younker: raises 671661 to 691661 and is all-in
    forboon: ???

    NOW you bet? And you bet THAT weak? There's now TWO flush draws, TWO MADE straights, and you have no clue what he has because you didn't push back at any point in this hand.

    What's his range here for raising UTG? Well, considering we have NO information about a guy that just sat down, we can easily add in AA-JJ, AJs and up. It's a $2 tourney, so maybe he plays AT like this? Who knows? Maybe he's playing 99?

    Poorly played hand.

    Mark
  • UnknownUnknown
    i know i know i know, and you could be even harsher because i know its true. preflop, but the reason i didn't raise is because i think 90% (made up stat to represent the word 'most') of the time he re shoves all in. So would you snap call the shove preflop?
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    Am I correct in thinking ship er all in pre? If your going to repop your committed anyway, am I right?
  • UnknownUnknown
    philliivey wrote: »
    Am I correct in thinking ship er all in pre? If your going to repop your committed anyway, am I right?

    i think technically im not depending on the size i 're-pop' but this is another way of asking if we are calling if he shoves back...
  • djgolfcandjgolfcan
    I would have re-raised it preflop to 80K, if he shoves, you call as you are only losing to two hands and a flip to one other. At this stage, QQ is the type of hand you are looking for to try and double up and make a deep run. Are you trying to win, or just cash ?
  • jdAA88jdAA88
    Don't mind the flop flat but I'd raise the flop and get it in
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    raise pre.

    raise flop.

    Call now.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    raise pre.

    raise flop.

    Call now.


    raise...call shove preflop then right.....so your calling this all the way who cares about kk aa, the ak's out weigh them?
  • actyperactyper
    You gotta look at your stack size, at 25xbb theres no reason not for you to put in all your chips with QQ, especially pre.
  • UnknownUnknown
    actyper wrote: »
    You gotta look at your stack size, at 25xbb theres no reason not for you to put in all your chips with QQ, especially pre.

    what about jj?
  • Wetts1012Wetts1012
    darbday wrote: »
    raise...call shove preflop then right.....so your calling this all the way who cares about kk aa, the ak's out weigh them?

    Yes. Getting it in pre.

    Villain has to be virgin tight for you to range up at KK+,AK tho.
  • philliiveyphilliivey
    actyper wrote: »
    You gotta look at your stack size, at 25xbb theres no reason not for you to put in all your chips with QQ, especially pre.
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Yes. Getting it in pre.

    Villain has to be virgin tight for you to range up at KK+,AK tho.



    Kaching!!!

    Guess I have not lost much of my mtt touch after all.:wink2::wink2:
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    Yes. Getting it in pre.

    Villain has to be virgin tight for you to range up at KK+,AK tho.

    Yeah like virgin tight over 10,000 hands where he never steals EVER in this spot. He can have KK and AA 12 ways. so there are 12 hands in what like, 1200 possible holdings? Ship it in.

    You took a very easy hand to play and made it very difficult. Given the pot size I think you have to call here. GL.
  • syphilaidssyphilaids
    darbday wrote: »
    what about jj?

    JJ you should play even mroe aggressively then QQ as you'd like to buy the pot right now. I 3bet big (~100,000+) and call an AI.
  • UnknownUnknown
    this hand cost me alot me thinks.
  • T8urmoneyT8urmoney
    Wetts1012 wrote: »
    raise pre.

    raise flop.

    Call now.

    Obviously, snap call a shove

    yes

    and, as played, call off on river
  • UnknownUnknown
    so i folded anyways and this guy turned out to be quite the bluffer/donk. which is a good reason to shove all streets (that hes possibly or likely over playing his position). Turns out ive been underplaying many hands like this that ive already corrected but i guess im not done. my beginer play last year was more profitable in these situations as i wouldve never considered making big laydowns until i got better. i lost to aces with kk twice this day so i was a little gunshy. too bad too cause i made 35th and seems i had a good chance to double up here.
  • VekkedVekked
    Agree with wetts/syph/others about most streets, but yea ideally make it like 8-9k pre (whichever keeps his range the widest, if he calls 8k more often make it that, if he calls 8k or 9k the same amount then make it 9k). Jam drawy flops, check/get it in on A-high or K-high dry flops, and bet small to induce on low/dry flops, bet something like 6 on stuff like J42 rainbow, or just jam on like JT7r or 698r.
  • UnknownUnknown
    Vekked wrote: »
    get it in any way you can, as fast as you can.....

    fyp?
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