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quads?
seriously how often should i be hitting quads. i hit twice today, once for sure yesterday, twice the day before, i hit quads pretty much everyday, is that for real? this is a serious question because its weirding me out.....
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If you're hitting quads every day, you're way at the top of the luck bell curve.
Unless you're playing something like 5k hands/day I would think.
Let's try some math:
I believe these numbers are right: Texas Hold'em Poker Odds & Probabilities
So, if we just look at pocket pairs and flopping quads, you've got 16 to 1 odds (5.88%) of being dealt a poker pair and 407 to 1 odds of flopping quads (0.25%), you should flop quads with a pocket pair about once every 6900 hands (more often than I thought).
Add in flopping a set (7.5 to 1) and you should improve to quads about 4% of the time, so that's about once every 3600 hands.
With the other 94% of your hands, you have a 9799 to 1 chance of flopping quads, and a 73 to 1 chance of flopping trips with a 4% chance to improve. That's about once every 9200 hands for flopping them and once every 1739 for flopping trips and improving.
Anyone want to try putting those numbers together for me?
It's too early in the morning for my brain.
Putting together? ^^'
How about 1/9200 + 1/1739 = 0,00068 or 0,68 promille judging from your numbers? Or maybe I'm just missing something :P
(that's basically once in every 1700 hands that you see flops turns and rivers with.
Anyway, it's probably the weighted 0,06 times P(quads with pocket pairs) + 0,94 imes P(quads with unpaired cards) where P(quads with pp) = P(flopping quads with pp) + P(turning or rivering quads with pp|flop trips)
Those number only relate to hands where you see the flop (the two at flop ratios) and hands that go to the river (improving ratios).
If you include the percentage of hands you see the flop with and the percentage of hands that go to showdown, the actual number of times you have or see quads goes way, way down.
I'd say I was seeing quads on an average of once or twice a week back when I played about 1k hands/day.
I just took a random month of playing NL Cash Games in PT3 and got this:
Hands - 25k
Flop Seen - 15k
Times my hand made quads (doesn't specify flop/turn/river) - 21
Times I saw the flop with my hand - 17
Seems I made quads more often than I though. 21 times in 25k hands or once every 1190 hands. Selective memory I guess.
I think in the last 4 yrs I have hit Quads 5 times. Usually trips or a boat.
I guess anything is possible if you are playing a lot of hands on the Interwebz.
I have also had 2 Royals. with 1 str8 flush. 1 royal happened 2 years ago at a home game the other at another home game maybe 4 yrs ago.
how do i sift through my hh to find them.......?
im sure you'll trust if i post the hands but is there a way for you to find them on the net or something.....i don't know how id find them but im serious about this and i don't really understand how i keep hitting quads.
Are you a bot? lol, seriously how many hands per week do you play? That is really an unbelievable amount of quads... Excuse us for being a little incredulous...
no man i know, and ive had this thought for months, that i hit quads to much.....think about it how can i have that though more than a couple times unless im hitting them, and yes i hit twice in one tourney and whereever the hand history is, the table commented on it, and i hit the day before and the day after. i play alot of hands but no more than a 100 or 200 tourneys a month.
and im not here to brag so its not like im lying i came to see if its really that weird...
if you can put that in tourneys, then i can tell you if mine is the same. until i get my tracker software back i don't know many hands per day....
Those numbers are from my PT3 playing full ring cash games. On PT3 if you go to the hands tab, then change the Display field from "Starting hands" to "Final Hands" you'll get a list.
I just checked a list of roughly 2,600 tourneys. 1,500 are 6max reg speeds, about 600 HU SNGs (turbos/super turbos mostly), about 200 6max 18man SNGs, and the rest an assortment of big MTTs, low buy-in rebuy MTTs, full ring SNGs, and others.
55.6k hands went to a flop and my holdings made quads 79 times.
So that puts us at quads every 703 flops in tournaments (not hands, as PT3 doesn't include hands that ended preflop in these stats obviously). This includes all hands where you fold preflop and would have made quads.
Maybe I'm running hot too?
k gonna set up a stars account today i think and get some tracker software as a bonus ...might be hem if i can do it though but im sure i can do it there ...im curious to see
What kind of tourneys do you usually play? I could filter my results for you if you want.
So, you'd probably see more quads/tourney in deeper stacked tourneys with a slower structure, as the tracking software checks for hands that made quads at any point after the flop, even if it doesn't go to showdown.
Yeah, thinking, breathing, and living poker for 6 years does that to ya.
I started playing when I was 15 back in 1995. Read Armarillo Slim's book when I was 16 and tried to introduce Hold'em to my home game after watching Rounders, but everyone thought it was too boring.
I used to deal hands at home to learn the game and heard of some underground games in London back in the late 90s, but never played.
/thread derail...back to quads.
back to quads?...i thought this thread was about me?
hahahaha, love darbday!:laugh:
lol....yeah, it is.
You've got me wondering if I've been running hot. Get that HEM and crunch those numbers.
Dude WTF.
Obv never they are people too.
no i meant quads as in poker not quadriplegic
Yer Killin me Wetts, Seriously. I think I just crapped my drawers I'm laughing so hard.
Hi Shar, Hows the Hometown doing?
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2010/07/25
Seat 1: jmster63 (655)
Seat 2: Eshe (3,900)
Seat 3: forboon (2,955)
Seat 4: THEBIGMUTT (1,755)
Seat 5: Manne55 (680)
Seat 6: sge_sge_sge (3,775)
forboon posts the small blind of 25
THEBIGMUTT posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [6c 6d]
*** RIVER *** [5h 6h 4h 6s] [3d]
forboon bets 400
sge_sge_sge has 15 seconds left to act
sge_sge_sge folds
Uncalled bet of 400 returned to forboon
forboon mucks
forboon wins the pot (1,650)
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2010/07/26
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Seat 3: nffljazz (50)
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Seat 6: HenriTpoker (3,070)
Seat 7: forboon (3,130)
Seat 9: JRedmond3 (1,370)
forboon posts the small blind of 10
JRedmond3 posts the big blind of 20
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [5c 4c]
*** RIVER *** [Jc 4d 4s 7c] [4h]
forboon wins the main pot (250) with four of a kind, Fours
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2010/07/28
Seat 1: Charlie Morris (5,985)
Seat 2: forboon (4,485)
Seat 3: dinie42 (11,922)
Seat 4: andy100582 (4,505)
Seat 5: Vombast1 (7,856)
Seat 6: leo1355 (3,110)
Seat 7: Cpt Borg (5,805)
Seat 8: Shadowvh (11,670)
Seat 9: El_FIJIN (5,940), is sitting out
Charlie Morris antes 25
forboon antes 25
dinie42 antes 25
andy100582 antes 25
Vombast1 antes 25
leo1355 antes 25
Cpt Borg antes 25
Shadowvh antes 25
El_FIJIN antes 25
Charlie Morris posts the small blind of 120
forboon posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [2s Qh]
*** RIVER *** [2c 2d Ts 2h] [Jc]
forboon wins the pot (1,425)
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2010/07/28
Seat 1: Charlie Morris (20,135)
Seat 2: forboon (5,635)
Seat 3: dinie42 (10,169)
Seat 4: Mohamett (12,465)
Seat 5: Vombast1 (9,659)
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Seat 7: Cpt Borg (11,380)
Seat 8: seeris (2,720)
Seat 9: El_FIJIN (4,180)
Charlie Morris antes 50
forboon antes 50
dinie42 antes 50
Mohamett antes 50
Vombast1 antes 50
LuckyLiuki antes 50
Cpt Borg antes 50
seeris antes 50
El_FIJIN antes 50
dinie42 posts the small blind of 250
Mohamett posts the big blind of 500
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [8c 8h]
*** RIVER *** [6s 7h Qd 8s] [8d]
forboon shows four of a kind, Eights
Seat 2: forboon (button) showed [8c 8h] and won (12,370) with four of a kind, Eights
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2010/07/30
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Seat 2: PUMA58 (4,630)
Seat 3: cemore cash (22,930)
Seat 4: Tarheel Hugo (20,680), is sitting out
Seat 5: Pedda_Dark (5,120)
Seat 6: ricvon (2,910)
Seat 7: le78 (10,810)
Seat 8: mpschi8270 (32,055)
Seat 9: forboon (6,285)
helter13 antes 25
PUMA58 antes 25
cemore cash antes 25
Tarheel Hugo antes 25
Pedda_Dark antes 25
ricvon antes 25
le78 antes 25
mpschi8270 antes 25
forboon antes 25
forboon posts the small blind of 120
helter13 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qs Qd]
*** RIVER *** [4c Qc 2d 2h] [Qh]
forboon shows [Qs Qd] four of a kind, Queens
forboon wins the pot (5,265) with four of a kind, Queens
forboon:
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2010/07/31
Seat 1: garden42 (970)
Seat 2: MoJoPi (2,461)
Seat 3: TheBank-101 (1,520)
Seat 4: sr55xx (1,332)
Seat 6: chrisbr95 (1,540)
Seat 7: forboon (1,730)
Seat 8: krf_hunter41 (4,497)
Seat 9: PIEROROX (2,815)
sr55xx posts the small blind of 25
chrisbr95 posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [8d 8h]
*** RIVER *** [8c Td Qc 8s] [Tc]
Uncalled bet of 320 returned to forboon
forboon mucks
forboon wins the pot (810)
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2010/08/02
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Seat 3: TaylorDiggs (3,000)
Seat 4: Mad-Duke5 (2,170)
Seat 5: Linero (3,525)
Seat 6: forboon (2,895)
djredwing posts the small blind of 15
TaylorDiggs posts the big blind of 30
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [2d 2c]
*** RIVER *** [Th 6s 2h 7c] [2s]
forboon wins the pot (2,235) with four of a kind, Twos
Full Tilt Poker Game #22791163343: $3 + $0.30 Tournament (175841699), Table 12 - 200/400 Ante 50 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:25:31 ET -
2010/08/02
Seat 1: VividBuc (13,676)
Seat 2: forboon (13,470)
Seat 4: elclandestino (1,447)
Seat 5: theodorobrian (23,889)
Seat 6: pumpkinpants1 (15,605)
VividBuc antes 50
forboon antes 50
elclandestino antes 50
theodorobrian antes 50
pumpkinpants1 antes 50
VividBuc posts the small blind of 200
forboon posts the big blind of 400
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [2d 2c]
*** RIVER *** [2h 4c 6c 2s] [Th]
forboon wins the pot (3,444) with four of a kind, Twos
Do you usually play turbos or reg speeds?